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<div>Speaking for only for myself---</div>
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<div>After numerous conversations on this, I’m coming around to Donna’s point of view regarding Meeting B. Although maybe for different reasons.</div>
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<div>If I can be blunt, I think if Meeting B is going to fail, it should fail because we followed the MSWG recipe to the letter, and not because we were tinkering with the ingredients while the cake was already in the oven. It is therefore entirely possible
that we come out of Helsinki wondering “what was that all about?” and that a few years from now, we reminisce about Meeting B over drinks and laugh.</div>
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<div>Or, the Helsinki meeting could launch a new era for ICANN, where leaner, light-weight events become more common. Where the summer event is laser-focused on policy development, rather than taking on the broader universe of Internet governance, commercial
dealmaking, and organizational restructure. Where we take this smaller event on the road to more remote venues and connect with the communities already in operation there. This is the potential payoff of Meeting B.</div>
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<div>The good news w.r.t. the PDPs that would be eligible for the day-long face-to-face meeting under the Pilot Program, is that they’re just starting up, and not at a critical point in their work plan where they are dependent upon the face to face to meet
any deadline. In some ways, this is fortuitous quirk of the calendar that allows us some flexility for a Meeting B “trial run.” We can move these PDPs to 1- or 2-hours sessions in Helsinki, but preserve the full-day option for Meeting A and Meeting C (btw,
this exact question was part of our discussion on the FY17 Budget).</div>
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<div>Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I realize the GNSO calendar is several orders of magnitude more complex than other SO/ACs, but I think we should do our best to track the original intent of Meeting B, with no small measure of courage for trying something
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<div>Looking forward to our discussion on this in a few hours.</div>
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<div>Thanks—</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>"Austin, Donna" <<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@neustar.biz">Donna.Austin@neustar.biz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 11:23 <br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>David Cake <<a href="mailto:davecake@gmail.com">davecake@gmail.com</a>>, James Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Glen de Saint Géry <<a href="mailto:Glen@icann.org">Glen@icann.org</a>>, GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: [council] Letter to James Bladel_13Apr16.pdf<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If I could make one plea on this topic it is that we go into Meeting B with an open mind and save the constructive feedback for after
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We need to be careful not to shoot the messenger. Nick is implementing recommendations that came from the Meeting Strategy Working
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<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Cake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 14 April 2016 7:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> James M. Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Glen de Saint Géry <<a href="mailto:Glen@icann.org">Glen@icann.org</a>>; GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Letter to James Bladel_13Apr16.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Which means option a) - Nick does not understand what the Pilot Program is, and is confusing incorporporating PDP work into meeting B with incorporating the Pilot Program into meeting B (which there are no plans to do). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In short, a very disappointing answer. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We can confirm with Nick, but I don’t think the implication was for the face-to-face to encompass an entire day (25%!) of Meeting B. Only that the topic itself would be included
in to the schedule/agenda for the Policy Forum. Something we can discuss further on our call in a few hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 9:06 <br>
<b>To: </b>Glen de Saint Géry <<a href="mailto:Glen@icann.org">Glen@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>James Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] Letter to James Bladel_13Apr16.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Envoyé :</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>jeudi 14 avril 2016 04:41<br>
<b>À :</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>GNSO Council List<br>
<b>Objet :</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[council] FW: [gnso-chairs] Letter to James Bladel_13Apr16.pdf</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 21:26<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">gnso-chairs@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">gnso-chairs@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>David Olive <<a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">david.olive@icann.org</span></a>>, "<a href="mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">Board-Ops-Team@icann.org</span></a>"
<<a href="mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">board-ops-team@icann.org</span></a>>, Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">marika.konings@icann.org</span></a>>, Sally Costerton <<a href="mailto:sally.costerton@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">sally.costerton@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[gnso-chairs] Letter to James Bladel_13Apr16.pdf</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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