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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">All, as your GNSO Council liaison to the ccNSO Council I received the email below. This should help inform our planning for our joint GNSO-ccNSO council session. Best, Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joke Braeken<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 04, 2016 5:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ccnso-council@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ccnso-council] Notes ccNSO Council Prep. Meeting - 4 November 2016 12:15 local time
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find below the notes taken during the ccNSO Council preparatory meeting earlier today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joke Braeken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Notes ccNSO Council Prep. Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">4 November 2016 12:15 local time<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Welcome<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">welcome by chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN Board members will join later<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">CCWG-IG</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The GNSO believes that the Cross Community Working Group on Internet Governance (CCWG-IG) does not work, something is wrong with set-up. Want to leave as chartering organisation. We have not seen much results
either, apart from the recent email from Olivier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Several processes: this WG, CWG-UCTN …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Young-Eum, co-chair CCWG-IG: most of the matter dealt with this WG are not those handled by ICANN. E.g. on how ICANN community should respond to other external events. E.g. WTSA recently, ITU sessions in 2014.
The group is not becoming in a representative of ICANN. Cooperation with ICANN staff. Is it the right vehicle? Not sure about shutting it down. In some circumstances the group has been helpful, especially to ICANN staff, Nigel Hickson.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bart: was kicked off in context of Netmundial, at initiative of Fadi. Issues a statement claiming to represent the SO/ACs, but there has never been a feedback loup. ccNSO council required a charter, or it
would retract from this group. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ccNSO, GNSO, ALAC are the chartering organisations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mostly participants from ALAC (and GNSO). Occasionally Becky, Joerg, Young-eum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Byron: group from a different era. We are now in a different world.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Something to be discussed with GNSO/ALAC. Clarity perhaps on next steps during the council meeting on Monday.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Status CWG-UCTN<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Group cannot come up with a consensus decision. Most likely we need to close the WG and need to look for other ways to address the issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Annebeth: consensus on 2-letter strings. Reserved all 2-letter strings.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">3-letter codes. We worked on this for more than 1 year. We cannot come to a consensus there: either open up everything (incl those in ISO list), or keep it as it currently is. Very difficult to come to
a common framework. We will deliver a Progress report during this meeting, and further discuss the Draft Interim Report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Discussion with GAC: where are they in terms of geographic names? concern of ccTLD members: if you put all in PDP on subsequent rounds, the GNSO will determine how country and territory names will be treated
as TLDS. Council needs to decide whether a letter needs to be sent to the Board: Text AGB2012 to be kept, until there is a common agreement on the way forward. Annebeth believes it is wrong to completely transfer this to GNSO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Demi: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">agree that this is not something exclusively to be dealt with by GNSO PDP. Be careful regarding the re-interpretation of gTLDs: the “g” stands and should remain to stand for “generic” (Annebeth referred to
a discussion around the possibility to call them “global” TLDs)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ching: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">agrees with Demi. Are we doing the right thing when we block the 2-letter codes? Big corporations are interested.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter Vergote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">thank Annebeth for her hard work on this matter.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Question: what is the agenda of the CWG? Understood the 3-letter issue needs to be put aside since no agreement is possible, but why not focus on country names instead? PDP process within GNSO : does it offer
a guarantee where other SO/ACs can have a blocking right? Maybe not too bad to have this covered by the GNSO PDP after all?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Annebeth : 2 relevant work tracks within the GNSO PDP for the ccNSO. AGB 2012 is default, unless consensus has been reached. Consensus for this group? Or cross-constituency consensus?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If 3-letter codes were already difficult, full names of countries and territories are even more difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bart: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">potential powers of other SO/ACs with respect to PDP. Participation on equal footing, but no blocking power.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There are various initiatives ongoing in the ICANN environment, but even in the ITU. Not clear if there is a consensus reached, how will this be translated into a PDP. What would happen with the result of
this WG?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">To be discussed with GAC, ALAC, GNSO and the Board. To be raised by Annebeth and Peter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Topics<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">No councillors will be assigned to the topics, but we ask people to report during the joint meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ccNSO-council meeting with GNSO. Tomorrow lunch time<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">CWG principles (Becky)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">CWG-UCTN (Heather and Annebeth)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">CWG-IG (GNSO steps out. We need to see how they see these issues addressed in future)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">CWG-auction proceeds. We revised our decision from March this year, and decided to participate in this WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Future scheduling of ICANN-meetings. HIT selection. Process to be defined. Vote: one per SO/AC? GNSO not happy about this. Many different sub-groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Implementation new bylaws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joint meeting with GAC<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">PDP (Becky, Bart)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">CWG-UCTN (Annebeth, Peter)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">EPSRP (<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">08:30 on Monday joint meeting with Board<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">CSC <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(Byron) needs resources from staff. Prep meeting with 4 members earlier this morning. First official meetng on Nov.8. Further resources from ICANN needed, other than Maria, more policy-oriented folks, web-admin
people. Conversation with David Olive on the CSC requirements in the next days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What do we need to do to advance trust and confidence?<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Go into specifics. For instance discussion on selection process review teams is currently very messy. Do not start with review team where the rules are unclear. That is not trust-building.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Byron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">IANA reporting: dashboard is up, SLEs met, so all is good from IANA-perspective. But we want to look at raw data ourselves. That is a matter of transparency and trust.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Selection icann meeting locations<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Debbie: Are you free to participate? If you are in trouble of being yourself?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Byron: Do not convey a message that depicts another culture as possibly being inferior. Non culturally discriminatory points of view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Who is the ultimate authority to decide on the meeting location?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">EPSRP advice<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Issues of split recommendations: .eu in greek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ccNSO created a WG, we asked GAC and SSAC to participate. GAC had some representatives. SSAC refused to participate.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Report produced by EPSRP WG. Support from GAC, ALAC, Verisign. SSAC issues an advice and submitted it to the Board. Not to take advice from the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Secretariat developed with EPSRP a document that addresses the issues in SSAC’s advice to the Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Do not meet with SSAC before we have met Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bart:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The Board is aware of the diverging views between ccNSO, GAC, ALAC and SSAC on other hand. They are very concerned about it, since they need to consider it, if the ccNSO council accepts the final report by
the EPSRP WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If you would meet SSAC and their advice is still on the table, what is the purpose of the meeting? Exchange of views? Or do you want to come to a joint decision? In that case, the SSAC paper needs to go.
Is there a mechanism to redraw the SSAC advice?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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