<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Paul, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm a very distant observer in CCWG-Acct list but I still believe there is latitude that WS1 allowed for WS2-Jurisdiction for discussing the jurisdiction of ICANN contractual framework like the RAs and RAAs, even though not the jurisdiction of ICANN itself, or PTI for that matter. And that is a jurisdiction question that is keen to all GNSO groups: contracted parties would like to have clearer jurisdiction definitions in their contracts, while others would like to see more privacy-savvy jurisdictions in there so there is more data protection to registrants, while others might prefer as they are, based on a jurisdiction that is not much privacy-oriented, so they have more access to registration data... </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">.. as for reopening ICANN's own jurisdiction, I have a peace pipe solution which is to change ICANN's jurisdiction to the one where the last ICANN meeting occurred, so every 4 months we have a new one and nobody gets jealous of it because it will it not endure. Can we now move to the the contractual framework jurisdiction discussion ? ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rubens</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:54 AM, <a href="mailto:policy@paulmcgrady.com" class="">policy@paulmcgrady.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><div class="">Thanks James. Great seeing you and everyone else this past week. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just an FYI for those not participating in WS2-Jurisdiction, this ICANNxit idea has been pushed very hard by Parminder and others on the list. As we all know, the accountability reforms of WS1 are all predicated on California law, so this idea seems outside of the scope of WS2 since WS2 wasn't meant to dismantle WS1. Further complicating things, there is now a crowd in WS2-Jurisdiction pushing for the idea that ICANN should be "immune" from the courts; essentially the opposite of accountability. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now for the commentary: I hope that if either of these bad ideas make their way into the final reports (however unlikely that such would occur), that the GNSO at least would stand in the way of adoption -- even if such a stand were against the tide of ICANN orthodoxy prevalent at the moment of voting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Paul</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1" style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size: 10pt; font-family: verdana;" class=""><div id="wmQuoteWrapper" class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class="">Subject: [council] FW: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: ICANN's US jurisdiction<br class="">From: "James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>><br class="">Date: Wed, November 09, 2016 3:08 am<br class="">To: GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br class=""><br class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Council colleagues –<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">See below for a statement published on the CCWG-ACCT mailing list.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Thank you,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">J.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class=""><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 7:31<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: ICANN's US jurisdiction<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana;" class="">All</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana;" class="">I thought this may be relevant to those on this list. Regard, parminder</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><br class=""><br class="">-------- Forwarded Message --------<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; text-align: right;"><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></b></div></td><td style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;">ICANN's US jurisdiction<o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; text-align: right;"><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></b></div></td><td style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;">Wed, 9 Nov 2016 07:23:40 +0530<o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; text-align: right;"><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></b></div></td><td style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;">parminder<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><parminder@itforchange.net></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; text-align: right;"><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></b></div></td><td style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><a target="_blank" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><governance@lists.igcaucus.org></a>, BestBitsList<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a>, Forum@Justnetcoalition. Org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="mailto:forum@justnetcoalition.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><forum@justnetcoalition.org></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><br class=""><br class="">All<br class=""><br class="">As you know, the issue of jurisdiction of ICANN is under consideration at ICANN's community process (in the accountability track where there is a sub group discussing this issue). ICANN is currently meeting in Hyderabad, India, from 3rd to 9th November.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Today, on the last day of ICANN's Hyderabad meeting, the enclosed statement was issued by key Indian civil society organisations engaged with Internet governance issues, supported by two key global networks involved in this area. The statement expresses the urgent need for transiting ICANN from being under the jurisdiction of one country, presenting the rationale of why this is important to do. It also lists some possible options of doing so, towards beginning a serious action-oriented deliberation on this very important matter. Unlike what is often understood, the jurisdiction issue is not just a matter of sovereign prestige and self respect of the states but concerns vital matters impacting people's rights. This is especially so as the society gets more and more digitised in all areas.<br class=""><br class="">We welcome comments and feedback.<br class=""><br class="">The statement has been issued by the following Indian civil society organisations.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://cis-india.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Centre for Internet and Society</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, Bangalore<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://www.itforchange.net/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">IT for Change</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, Bangalore<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software_Movement_of_India" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Free Software Movement of India</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, Hyderabad<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://www.knowledgecommons.in/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Society for Knowledge Commons</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New Delhi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://defindia.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Digital Empowerment Foundation</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New Delhi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://www.delhiscienceforum.net/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Delhi Science Forum</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New Delhi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Software Freedom Law Center India</span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New Delhi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="https://twnetwork.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Third World Network - India</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New Delhi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">It is supported by the following global networks:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="https://www.apc.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Association For Progressive Communications</span></a></span></u><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://justnetcoalition.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Just Net Coalition<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></span></a></span></u><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><a target="_blank" href="http://justnetcoalition.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><br class=""></a><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="">We will soon expand this effort to enlist more global support.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="">Best, Parminder</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>