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<p>To be as clear as possible, I have no concern with and actively support efforts to engage leadership and participation from groups outside of GNSO - and specifically ALAC and GAC -- in WT5 efforts focusing on Geo names in any subsequent round.</p>
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<p>I am merely trying to ascertain that the method by which WT5 adopts any recommendations that it reports up to the full WG will be one that is consistent with PDP procedures and not one that is modeled on CCWG decision making procedures, including voting
representatives from each SO/AC. While I understand that the full WG's final recommendations will be determined in the usual PDP manner, I do not believe it is permissible or advisable to permit a different decision making process at the subteam level.</p>
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<p>I hope that clarifies my position.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 7, 2017 7:29 PM<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">if I understand correctly the work track outcome will go to the whole working group anyway. We are not following the CCWG framework here with voting representatives from each SO/AC etc. The working group is only asking ccNSO and GAC
to nominate a co-leaders but that doesn't change the open membership of the group or how it will use consensus. Since ccNSO and GAC are not chartering organizations here, I don't see any change in the decision-making process and the GNSO retain the control,
if it is right to say that, of the whole process.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I understand there are concerns about CCWG be seen as the silver bullet for all issues but I believe we are crystal clear that gTLD policies are the remit of solely GNSO (like in our responses to GAC communique). Getting other stakeholders
input and participation is consistent with the GNSO PDP manual. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">do you have some example of risk in mind? will a more explicit outline of the decision making, aligned with GNSO OP, within the WT5 and in relation to the WG alleviate your concerns? I think we can also request the council liaison to
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-08-08 7:28 GMT+09:00 Phil Corwin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>My primary concern relates to whether the decision making process to be used by the sub team would be permissible for the full WG and is consistent with relevant GNSO rules and guidelines. If it makes such decisions in the manner of a CCWG, and they are
then subject to subsequent reversal or substantial modification using a different decisional approach, that could exacerbate rather than ameliorate the debate. </div>
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<div>Jeff's email below deals with some of the questions raised here on the list about SubPro WT5. James, Donna and I can update further after we talk with the SubPro leadership tomorrow.</div>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Jeff Neuman</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:49 AM<br>
Subject: Note on Work Track 5<br>
To: "James Bladel (<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>)" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, Heather Forrest <<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">haforrestesq@gmail.com</a>>,
"Austin, Donna" <<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank">Donna.Austin@team.neustar</a>><br>
Cc: avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org" target="_blank">avri@apc.org</a>>, Steve Chan <<a href="mailto:steve.chan@icann.org" target="_blank">steve.chan@icann.org</a>>, Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>>,
Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>>, Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems that there have been a number of questions on the operation and establishment of Work Track 5 on the GNSO Council Mailing list. I am not able to post on that list, but ask that this be forwarded. I have not run this response
by Avri, but I would hope she agrees.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">According to the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, found at <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/improvements/gnso-working-group-guidelines-final-10dec10-en.pdf" target="_blank">
https://gnso.icann.org/en/impr<wbr>ovements/gnso-working-group-gu<wbr>idelines-final-10dec10-en.pdf</a>, Section 2.3 states:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>“2.3. Use of Sub-Teams <u></u><u></u></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>The WG may decide to employ sub-teams as an efficient means of delegating topics or assignments to be completed. Sub-team members need to have a clear understanding of issues they work on as well as the results to be achieved. The members
of sub-teams report their results to whole working group for review and approval. The WG should indicate whether or not it would like to have meetings of the sub-team recorded and/or transcribed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Any member of the WG may serve on any sub-team; however, depending upon the specific tasks to be accomplished, the Chair should ensure that the sub-team is properly balanced with the appropriate skills and resources to ensure successful
completion. It is recommended that the sub-team appoints a co-ordinator who heads up the sub-team and is responsible for providing regular progress updates to the Working Group.<u></u><u></u></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>There is no need for formal confirmation by the CO or WG of such a co-ordinator.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>The lifespan of a sub-team should not extend beyond that of the Working Group. Decisions made by sub-teams should always be shared with the larger working group and a call for consensus must be made by the entire WG. “<u></u><u></u></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is what Avri and I are doing. We are setting up a “Sub Team” which we are calling a “Work Track.” Other than the last sentence of ensuring that all decisions go to the larger working group, there are no other restrictions on the
operation of a Sub Team. Therefore, we believe that the choice of leadership, how meetings are conducted, the name of the group, membership, etc. is at our (the co-chair’s) discretion.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, all of the recommendations from this Work Track will of course go to the full Working Group, just as they will for all of the other Work Tracks.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On the question of whether this will set a precedent on how Sub Teams will be used in the future, I will leave that to the folks who look back at this time period in 15 years or so. But if it works and strengthens the multi-stakeholder
process, while still having it operate under the rubric of the GNSO, would that not be a positive precedent?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate the Council interest in this and encourage you all to bring that enthusiasm to Work Track 5.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know if you have any other questions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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