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<p>All,</p>
<p>to my understanding there is agreement that</p>
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<li>a replacement model to the CCWG-IG is to be found and<br>
</li>
<li>that the IG related work can continue uninterrupted</li>
</ul>
<p>I personally have some doubts whether the work can be done
uninterrupted in case one or more of the chartering organizations
withdraw <u>before</u> the replacement body is in place. The
uncertainty of this date makes it difficult to set an automatic
withdrawal. If the council is supposed to not just "consider" the
new model at ICANN 61 (res. clause 3 of the motion) but to
"approve" it or evaluate it as feasible this would facilitate the
withdrawal.</p>
<p>My suggestion:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>re clause 3:
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt; line-height:115%;color:#333333">The
GNSO Council requests that members of the CCWG-IG and others
interested parties come together to explore a framework /
model that more fully addresses the concerns that have been
expressed by the GNSO Council, and submit this framework /
model to the GNSO Council for its consideration by</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt; line-height:115%;color:red"> (a date
before ICANN61)</span><br>
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<blockquote>re clause 5:<br>
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Best regards<br>
Wolf-Ulrich<br>
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Am 14.08.2017 um 22:59 schrieb Rafik Dammak:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi Keith and all,</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Trying to respond to several comments
in this thread and clarify the intent behind the,:</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">1/ with regard to the delay from
ICANN60 to ICANN61, we discussed that during the call and
mentioned, that ICANN60 is a short deadline for the CCWG-IG
to deliver a proposal for the new structure and respond to
council concerns. <br>
2/ #4 was added to list clearly the concerns from the
council, yes there was a lot of discussions on that matter
in different times but we didn't formalize that. if #4 is a
problem, we can drop it.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">3/ regarding the conditional, it was
also raised that we need a clear transition from the CCWG
model to the new model proposed by the group and approved by
chartering organizations. if GNSO withdraws as CO as stated
in the original motion, there is no indication that will
rejoin the new structure. the intent of the amendment is to
give some transitional time and avoid the automatic
withdrawal. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">@Keith I see that we have at least an
agreement to shift the deadline to ICANN61 and I am fine
with dropping #4.</div>
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Best,</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2017-08-15 5:46 GMT+09:00 Drazek,
Keith via council <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span>:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The changes proposed by Rafik
materially change the motion and I’m unable to
accept them as friendly amendments.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Following many months of
discussion on this topic, including during the
CCWG-IG F2F meeting in Johannesburg, it has become
clear that the CCWG-IG does not fit the CCWG model
that was the formal output of a cross-community
working group. My understanding is that the reps
from ccNSO and ALAC have also reached this
conclusion.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The purpose of the proposed
motion is to:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li
class="gmail-m_5208019131099700505MsoListParagraph">Signal
that the GNSO intends to withdraw as a chartering
organization because the CCWG-IG does not fit the
formal CCWG model.</li>
<li
class="gmail-m_5208019131099700505MsoListParagraph">Signal
that the GNSO respects the work of the CCWG on
CCWGs and we support the official model of CCWGs.</li>
<li
class="gmail-m_5208019131099700505MsoListParagraph">Signal
that the GNSO respects the work of the CCWG-IG,
even while we recognize it does not fit the CCWG
model.</li>
<li
class="gmail-m_5208019131099700505MsoListParagraph">Signal
that the GNSO intends to work with the other
CCWG-IG chartering organizations to identify a
replacement model so the work can continue
uninterrupted.</li>
<li
class="gmail-m_5208019131099700505MsoListParagraph">Set
a reasonable deadline by which the GNSO will
withdraw as a chartering organization, with the
expectation that the current chartering
organizations will work together to develop a
replacement by that date.</li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The changes proposed by Rafik in
#4 do not sync with the purpose of the motion<a
name="m_5208019131099700505__MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true">.</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>As discussed during our
last GNSO Council call, in response to Avri’s
suggestion that we move the target date/deadline
from ICANN 60 to ICANN 61, I would accept the date
shift as a friendly amendment. We agreed that the
CCWG-IG reps would need to conduct intercessional
work and also likely need to meet face-to-face to
establish a replacement structure and I think that
ICANN 61 is still a reasonable date.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In my opinion, it is the
responsibility of the GNSO Council to set clear
expectations and to reinforce that we believe a
CCWG must fit the model the community has agreed
to. Let me also say that I don’t believe the
change of model or structure needs to be overly
dramatic. Just change the name from Cross
Community Working Group (which has an explicit
definition) to Cross Community Discussion Group or
Cross Community Engagement Group. Even if
additional work is required, it seems 7 months
ought to be plenty of time.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So, to reiterate, I would
be open to accepting the date shift from ICANN 60
to ICANN 61, but the other proposed changes will
not support the intent of the motion.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Keith</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<span></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a
href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">council-bounces@gnso.<wbr>icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 14, 2017 3:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephanie Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>>;
<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [council]
Proposed amendments to CCWG-IG motion</p>
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<div class="gmail-h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stephanie and Colleagues –</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Speaking as a Registrar rep
and Seconder of the motion, I would not see
these changes as friendly amendments as
friendly. I will wait for Keith to respond as
well.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And my concerns go beyond
Resolved 4. For example, the proposed
amendments would defer/delay a decision from
ICANN60 to ICANN61 (Resolved 3 and 5), as well
as change the decision to a conditional
(Resolved 5, 6 and 7). Of all the proposed
changes, I believe Resolved 7 is the least
impactful (but Rafik may see this as dependent
upon the other proposed amendments).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">J.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From: </span></b><span><<a
href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">council-bounces@gnso.icann.<wbr>org</a>>
on behalf of Stephanie Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, August 14, 2017 at
14:26 <br>
<b>To: </b>GNSO Council List <<a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] Proposed
amendments to CCWG-IG motion</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p><span>Does removing item 4 help? I have not
been involved, but I fear that the deadline
will be struck before Rafik is online to
respond.</span></p>
<p><span>Stephanie</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-08-14 10:37,
Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rafik</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This topic has been
discussed on multiple occasions at the GNSO
Council. Council’s issues with the CCWG have
been made very clear. Asking that the motion
be modified as you’re suggesting with the
addition of the new #4 seems to completely
ignore the various exchanges we’ve had on this
topic over the last few months. Personally I
could not support the motion with this
additional language.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Michele </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>--</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Mr Michele Neylon</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Blacknight
Solutions</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hosting, Colocation
& Domains</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Intl. <a
href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072"
value="+353599183072" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">+353 (0) 59
9183072</a></span></p>
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href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090"
value="+353599183090" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">+353 (0)59
9183090</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Personal blog: <a
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://michele.blog/</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Some thoughts: <a
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://ceo.hosting/</a> </span></p>
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Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span></p>
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X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From: </span></b><span><a
href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><council-bounces@gnso.icann.<wbr>org></a>
on behalf of Rafik Dammak
<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><rafik.dammak@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 14 August 2017 at
14:45<br>
<b>To: </b>Council GNSO <a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><council@gnso.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[council] Proposed
amendments to CCWG-IG motion</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">please find attached
a document with proposed amendments to
the CCWG-IG motion that was deferred in
the last council call.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I hope they can be
accepted as friendly.</p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rafik</p>
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