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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is fine as a way forward for me too. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Having said that I’d like to point out that many members have raised similar issues within our constituency with the exact same idea of kpis/metrics
– although it’s arguably something which may be difficult to develop. Moving forward and generally speaking I think that is not unreasonable to expect that travel support or part thereof be monitored against such “active contribution”. Certainly each program
may have a different view of what that is, but some way to evaluate this as we move along only seems a very basic requirement for accountability. Thanks to Michele, Ayden and Tatiana for articulating this.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Philippe Fouquart<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tatiana Tropina; Carlos Raul Gutierrez<br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO Council List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Community travel support consultation - draft of proposed response<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As one of those who drafted the comments with Tatiana I am happy to stand over them, however I fully accept what Donna is saying.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So maybe the path forward is to do the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">1 – a submission from the GNSO Council taking into consideration Donna’s suggestions, without getting into the quagmire of some of the programs. This would keep within the scope of the
GNSO Council’s views on this hopefully.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">2 – Those of us who feel strongly that comments should be submitted regarding certain aspects of the travel support program do so separately ie. not as a submission by Council, but as
community members who wish to express their opinion. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Of course there is also the option of submissions via our respective stakeholder groups etc., though I’m not sure if that will really work for everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just a suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council <<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Tatiana Tropina <<a href="mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com">tatiana.tropina@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday 18 November 2017 at 13:04<br>
<b>To: </b>Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] Community travel support consultation - draft of proposed response<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">Hi Carlos and all,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Thanks a lot for your comments. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">if we follow your logic it means that only those who are responsible for the fellowship and NextGen programs are able to comment on its effectiveness, although fellowship is supposed to be beneficial for the entire community
and should be assessed by the community. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">I asked on the GNSO call when the questionnaire was presented why it missed questions about the fellowship and NextGen (as these programs have a large share in the ICANN travel budget) and whether this would be added
at the later stage. I was told that we can add our comments on this at the end of the questionnaire as general remarks. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">I believe there are a lot of concerns about these programs. I see that we have no consensus as to whether we can comment on this, but I do think it's worth to raise these concerns and that we as a GNSO council are in
a position to do so. This is what "general remarks" section is for, in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">So I am apparently with the drafting team and with Erika and Julf here that instead of deleting the paragraph about these programs, we might even add more there, e.g. highlight that they are not ICANN focused enough. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Warm regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Tanya <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">On 18 November 2017 at 13:32, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <</span><a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-IE">crg@isoc-cr.org</span></a><span lang="EN-IE">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">I have read the questionnaire again. I think that the questionnaire is asking questions about our own SO (only). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">While I think the comment is interesting, I do agree with Donna that is falls outside of the Questionnaires realm.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">So in good ICANN Style, If somebody wants to write a high level "rationale" about ICANN travel support policy, it make sense to add it in the email remitting the GNSO answers to the questionnaire. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">But in my view, it does not answer any of the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">My two cents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br>
ISOC Costa Rica Chapter<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Johan Helsingius <</span><a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-IE">julf@julf.com</span></a><span lang="EN-IE">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> How about mentioning that there's concern that the Fellowship Program is<br>
> not sufficiently focusing on ICANN issues? I made a recommendation<br>
> below. If you don't like it, change it or don't include it. Both is fine<br>
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I think it is a good addition.<br>
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