<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">as those documents being advertised and likely many from the community may refer to them for convenience instead to check lengthy documents, it would make sense to make suggestions from the council.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-10 2:32 GMT+09:00 Austin, Donna via council <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks Marika<br>
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So I guess the question now for council is whether we want to suggest any changes to the process as written.<br>
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From: Marika Konings [mailto:<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.<wbr>org</a>]<br>
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To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar>; Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com">julf@julf.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Re: Board process for GAC Advice<br>
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</span>Please note that the handbook that has been referenced is part of the Process Mapping work, described at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_processdocumentation&d=DwIGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=e2BAhsTWRvkb8S5gyeqwWJebowJIPuy8fEaLTuUDusQ&s=dx_RjWjnBD9n7gMh7pWBXgH8LcNJOwOEwK0JTvMNfxk&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.<wbr>com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.<wbr>icann.org_<wbr>processdocumentation&d=DwIGaQ&<wbr>c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=<wbr>CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_<wbr>QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=<wbr>e2BAhsTWRvkb8S5gyeqwWJebowJIPu<wbr>y8fEaLTuUDusQ&s=dx_<wbr>RjWjnBD9n7gMh7pWBXgH8LcNJOwOEw<wbr>K0JTvMNfxk&e=</a>. It is not an adopted process, but an attempt to describe in plain English the process set out in the diagram, available at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gac-2Dadvice-2Dprocess-2Dflowchart-2D31aug17-2Den.pdf&d=DwIGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=e2BAhsTWRvkb8S5gyeqwWJebowJIPuy8fEaLTuUDusQ&s=vRXEk_FoWWMKlPe-ZNmKqrv1upidhz7W7oRHUBUG-_s&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.<wbr>com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.<wbr>icann.org_en_system_files_<wbr>files_gac-2Dadvice-2Dprocess-<wbr>2Dflowchart-2D31aug17-2Den.<wbr>pdf&d=DwIGaQ&c=<wbr>MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=<wbr>CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_<wbr>QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=<wbr>e2BAhsTWRvkb8S5gyeqwWJebowJIPu<wbr>y8fEaLTuUDusQ&s=vRXEk_<wbr>FoWWMKlPe-<wbr>ZNmKqrv1upidhz7W7oRHUBUG-_s&e=</a><wbr>. If there are items missing from these diagrams, such as the potential for impasse if GAC advice is in conflict with a policy recommendation, or to demonstrate an opportunity for consideration of additional inputs such as the GNSO’s recent work on producing responses to GAC advice, the diagram and handbook can be updated. They are considered living documents, and though staff has tried hard to get them as right as possible and integrate community input, they don’t capture every nuance.<br>
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I hope this is helpful.<br>
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On 3/9/18, 12:46, "council on behalf of Austin, Donna via council" <<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org">council-bounces@gnso.icann.<wbr>org</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Julf, all<br>
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It's unclear to me who owns or who drafted this document. Is it the Board, the GAC, ICANN?<br>
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Is it possible for you to follow up with your GAC counterpart to see if you can get more clarity around the intent of the document and where it came from. I suspect it is the result of a number of consultations whether they be internal to just the GAC or perhaps the result of the Board/GAC Working Group.<br>
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Before we all go jumping at shadows it would be good to have the context and understand where this came from, its purpose and intended audience.<br>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Board process for GAC Advice<br>
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Likewise!<br>
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On 08-03-18 23:58, Erika Mann wrote:<br>
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> Heather - I agree with Rubens and Carlos. Cheers, Erika<br>
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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">crg@isoc-cr.org</a><br>
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>> I think we should consider both Heather!<br>
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>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:15 PM, Heather Forrest<br>
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>> On 08/03/2018 4:47 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br">rubensk@nic.br</a><br>
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