<div>It is useful to have this information. On the whole, it does not seem it is all that expensive to run this working group. It is using minimal staff resources, has a budget of $2,000 for consultants, and that appears to be it. Given the larger Internet ecosystem does present risks to ICANN’s mission and activities, it seems logical to me to have this outlet with which the community can engage with the  Board Working Group on Internet Governance and liaise with other SO/ACs about ongoing Internet governance issues.<br></div><div><br></div><div>—Ayden  <br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 2 June 2018 12:41 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">All, please find hereunder a response to the questions that the Council put forward in relation to overall IG engagement costings.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Marika<br></p><div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><p style="border:none;padding:0in" class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Marika,</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Mandy, Nigel, Rob and I participated to producing the answers below. Not sure if the answers should be sent by you to the council or by any one of us. Please let us know your thoughts.</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)">The Staff and resources involved in Government Engagement are best described in the FY19 Budget documents as referenced below:</span><span class="colour" style="color:black"></span></span><br></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-top:0in"><li style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2;background:white" class="MsoNormal">Document 4 – Module 1 – Engagement activities. This includes more than Government engagement activities.<br></li><li style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)">Document 6 - FY19 Excel Spreadsheet by Portfolio and by Projects. Please note that this document contains the numbers of staff full-time equivalent, indicated at the project level.</span><br></li></ul><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)">Both documents can be found at <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/current-en"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(149, 79, 114)">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/current-en</span></a>.
 The total spend for Government and IGO engagement is $3.2 and is broken down as follows:</span><span class="colour" style="color:black"></span></span><br></p><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)">Totals for the portfolios are in USD and are rounded to the nearest millions with thousands as a decimal</span><span class="colour" style="color:black"></span></span><br></p><ol type="1" start="1" style="margin-top:0in"><li style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3" class="MsoNormal"><div>Portfolio 4.1.1 Coordination of ICANN participation in Internet governance $1.1 <br></div><ol type="a" start="1" style="margin-top:0in"><li style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3" class="MsoNormal">Project 178604 Recurring Activity: ICANN Internet Governance Engagement  <br></li></ol></li><li style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3" class="MsoNormal">Portfolio 4.2.1 Working with Governments and Intergovernmental organizations   $0.6<br></li></ol><ol type="1" start="2" style="margin-top:0in"><ol type="a" start="1" style="margin-top:0in"><li style="color:black;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo4" class="MsoNormal">Project 154157 High Level Government meeting<br></li><li style="color:black;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo4" class="MsoNormal">Project 178602 FY19 GE Government Advisory Committee (GAC) Engagement and support<br></li></ol><li style="color:black;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4" class="MsoNormal">Portfolio 4.3.1 Support Internet Governance Ecosystem Advancement $1.5<br></li></ol><ol type="1" start="3" style="margin-top:0in"><ol type="a" start="1" style="margin-top:0in"><li style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo5" class="MsoNormal">Project 175418 Recurring Activity – Government and IGO Engagement<br></li></ol></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Similarly, the amount of resources dedicated to the GAC support can be found in the Document 6 of the FY19 budget, under project 151210, which reflects 3.4 FTEs and $0.5m in support. See general description below:</span><br></p><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:black">The support team focuses on assisting GAC members and leadership on all operational matters surrounding the GAC’s work: preparation for all meetings (agenda development, scheduling, calendaring),
 conducting (managing the remote connectivity capabilities), and follow-up (minutes, action items/next steps, reporting, etc.) for all plenary, working group and committee leadership meetings, development and maintenance of the GAC web resources and the posting
 and maintenance of related content for all committee activities, working groups and informational resources, management membership records, tracks attendance for committee activities, conducts election processes and supports GAC members in fulfillment of the
 various SO-AC responsibilities the committee has regarding organizational reviews and the empowered community administration.</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">For the time/costs and staff involved in meetings and calls that support the previously called CWG on IG are included in the totals provided about government engagement above. For some additional detail:</span><br></p><ol type="1" start="1" style="margin-top:0in"><li style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6;background:white" class="MsoNormal">Staff support comes from the Government and IGO Engagement team. This work occupies about 0.1 of the time of Desiree Cabrera (in LA) and perhaps 0.1 to 0.15 of Nigel Hickson’s time in Geneva; this is for the WG calls, held perhaps every 2 months or so, support
 on discussing issues and dialogue at ICANN and other meetings; <br></li><li style="color:#222222;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">The only other support provided to the CCW on IG has been (and could be looking ahead) very small consultancy expenditure for report writing. This has not exceeded $2k in any year</span>.<br></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Travel expenditures by the Board and the executives are not currently tracked and reported according to the subject of the meeting, differently than by the projects. </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Thank you.</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Best,</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Xavier</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Xavier Calvez</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">ICANN – SVP & CFO</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Los Angeles, CA 90094</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Phone:   310-301-5838</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Mobile:  805-312-0052</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black">Fax:        310-957-2348</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com><br> <b>Date: </b>Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 11:47<br> <b>To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><br> <b>Cc: </b>GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] Agenda for Council meeting</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">thanks, Carlos, Ayden for those questions,<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I assume those are not addressed directly to the CWG-IG as several are not under its remit, except those related to calls and partly the annual report that supporting staff from Government Engagement  Team can respond.<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal">Rafik<br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">2018-03-14 14:44 GMT-04:00 Ayden Férdeline <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>:<br></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal">I support these questions being asked. I hope we may also be able to seek clarification as to how much it costs for the CCWG-IG's annual report to be generated. From what I understand it is compiled by an external consultant. I would also
 like to understand the costs associated with subscribing to various regulatory intelligence services; occasionally I have seen reports downloaded from Cullen International shared on the CCWG-IG list, but there may be other services that are utilized.<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Férdeline <br></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 14 March 2018 6:31 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>> wrote:<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m-6031535685414672928size"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">I want to make a specific mention to the Agenda item #5</span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">If the resolution will ask for more financial details on the overall IG engagement costing, I request to make it add "across"  the traditional
 budget structure for the purposes of this question, and add</span></span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="margin-left: 47.25pt; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Symbol"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size:7pt">         </span></span></span></span></span><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">time/costs, </span></span></span><span class="m-6031535685414672928size"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">meetings
 and travel</span></span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt"> that can be assigned to Executives & Board members engaged in IG issues, including but not limited  ITU, other governmental multi-laterals, ISOC, GSMA and other
 private sector orgs, IETF and other quangos, similar activities </span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-left: 47.25pt; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Symbol"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size:7pt">         </span></span></span></span></span><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">time/costs and staff involved in Government Engagement</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-left: 47.25pt; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Symbol"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size:7pt">         </span></span></span></span></span><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">time/costs and staff involved in direct support to GAC</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-left: 47.25pt; text-indent: -0.25in; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Symbol"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size:7pt">         </span></span></span></span></span><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">time/costs and staff involved in meetings and calls that support the previously called CWG on IG</span></span></span></span><br></p><div><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></span></span></span><br></p></div></div><div><p style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">My assumption is that the last line, which seems to be the most important issue during the council's discussion, will be well small compared
 to the other ones. Are we focusing on the right issues here?</span></span></span></span><br></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">ISOC Costa Rica Chapter<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">skype carlos.raulg<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a target="_blank" href="tel:+506%208837%207176">+506 8837 7176</a> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">________<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Apartado 1571-1000<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">COSTA RICA<br></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Heather Forrest <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com">haforrestesq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Colleagues,<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Without the AC room, we'll be relying on the agenda and links as posted in the ICANN61 meeting schedule, here: <img alt="chrome-extension://cfeleongjhdjephegmmmdjgbfjiindbe/images/webicon_green.png" id="_x0000_i1026" border="0"><a target="_blank" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__61.schedule.icann.org_meetings_647702&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=y_QXW3zgWo0efzDgdHEORHN3VJ1p08Sjt-948pRZgho&s=TNRnoMD4kAubft8bPJkPNTstyw3Nkd0SchJc2ktjxuk&e="><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(184, 234, 184)">https://61.schedule.icann.org/meetings/647702[61.schedule.icann.org]</span></a><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks and best wishes,<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Heather<br></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">council mailing list<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a target="_blank" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><img alt="chrome-extension://cfeleongjhdjephegmmmdjgbfjiindbe/images/webicon_green.png" id="_x0000_i1025" border="0"><a target="_blank" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(184, 234, 184)">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council</span></a><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></div></div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> council mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council</a><br></div><p></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>