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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Actually, you agree with me. I don’t think we should have any gatekeeping barriers, such as IAPP certifications, designed to exclude anyone. But, if we are
going to go down the path of exclusion, and I hope we don’t, it shouldn’t just be for one privacy skill set which would result in an unbalanced ePDP WG. I think some 101 in both GDPR and Trademarks is more than sufficient to ensure everyone on the ePDP WG
has a common vocabulary. I’m surprised by the resistance on the call today to the idea and the steadfast holding to the notion of gatekeeping IAPP certification which will result in exclusions from the team and undermine its outcomes from Day 1.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez [mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@winston.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Suggestion for membership criteria of proposed Expedited Policy Development Process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It was a very interesting Council call today, of which I could only follow the initial 2/3 or so.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">After the call I went back to this ideas of Ayden and Paul, and I found myself in disagreement with both of you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Maybe because I'm an economist that doesn't want to become a pseudo lawyer in either trademark law or in data protection, my needs t o follow the ePDP in case i'm not qualified to participate (only to vote...)
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">My question is to what degree does WHOIS have a bias for or against both, trademark law and GDPR. As some might know, we economist are all about efficiency and efficiency loses. And my understanding is that
any change in WHOIS, either planned or imposed, creates great efficiency losses to our members of the CPH. And in some cases, those efficiency loses cost a lot of money!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The Bonner Landesgericht put an interesting efficiency concept on the table: Datensparsamkeit. (something like be stingy with data -collection-).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">So from my personal perspective, and I repeat, independently if I'm qualified or not to be a member of the ePDP, my basic question is and would remain until we vote on the policy proposal, is how a new regulation
that looks for collecting LESS data, can be an operational, or even financial burden to the members of the CPH.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">For that I don't need more knowledge on either Trademark and/or Privacy Law. What I need are hard facts, best expressed by numbers of dollars.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With that SOI, I express my interest to be part of the ePDP, either as member, or else as unqualified bystander with a vote on the final decision.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br>
ISOC Costa Rica Chapter<br>
skype carlos.raulg<br>
+506 8837 7176 <br>
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Apartado 1571-1000<br>
COSTA RICA<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:28 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks Ayden.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Tricky though, since those of us representing consumers that are protected by intellectual property
laws from confusing misuses of marks often feel that those participating in WG’s don’t understand the fundamentals of trademark laws either. Certainly in the case of this EPDP we would want people to have the basics of trademark law as well. Perhaps instead
of using these useful skills sets as gatekeepers, we ask staff to develop curriculum for the first session or two hitting these two issues and setting forth some basic vocabulary. I’d be happy to participate with staff in the effort from the trademark side
if you would be happy to participate with staff in the effort from the data protection side.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> council [mailto:<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ayden Férdeline<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 07, 2018 3:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [council] Suggestion for membership criteria of proposed Expedited Policy Development Process</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have just finished reviewing the proposed agenda for our meeting next week along with the mindmap that Council leadership and staff have developed (thanks for doing this!).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would like to put forward a suggestion for the Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) team criteria. While the scope of the EPDP remains unclear at present, what I took away
from the call between the Board and the Council on Tuesday was that compliance with the law is crucial. As such I think it is imperative that *all* members be able to demonstrate that they have a basic understanding of the principles and legal terms of data
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would like to request that any community member who is appointed to the EPDP, or staff member supporting the EPDP, be able to demonstrate they have completed at least 3 hours
of data protection training. I do not think this would be a huge burden, but I think it would make work easier, as there should be a common understanding of essential terms.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There are short half-day 'Data Protection 101' classes run by institutions like the policy neutral International Association of Privacy Professionals, whose courses only use definitions
of terms that have been defined in law for over 20 years.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For those who don't hold this certification, I would like to request that ICANN reimburse the members of the EPDP for their modest and reasonable costs in obtaining it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would like to hear your thoughts here, however I would also like to ask that this suggestion please be given serious consideration. Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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