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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The key point that I think many of us agree on is that knowledge / training, call it what you will, is highly beneficial in general. One of the issues we ran into repeatedly in the RDS PDP was that people either were
not familiar with the subject matter beyond their own, specific narrow interest and / or they had little to no familiarity with how ICANN’s processes in terms of policy development work.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">In the case of this ePDP any member of the group that is eventually formed will need to have a basic grounding in several key areas including privacy and GDPR.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">While certification is “nice” I also agree that it should not be a requirement and I would have issues with ICANN paying thousands of Euro to give people this kind of training. If someone wants to get certified in privacy
/ GDPR or anything else I’m sure that will help them further their careers, but last time I checked neither ICANN as a whole nor the GNSO specifically is a training camp for people.
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 13 June 2018 at 02:11<br>
<b>To: </b>GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] Suggestion for membership criteria of proposed Expedited Policy Development Process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'll repeat a point I made in chat today: requiring and providing training is not excluding, but requiring certification is. Actually, for who is paying for the training, the actual knowledge is more important than the certification, which
only benefits the certified person. So while I would find reasonable that someone that happens to have a certification to excuse himself/herself from the training, I don't see us establishing a certification as requisite.
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<p class="MsoNormal">And if that changes the price, every certification (opposed to training) should come on that person's dime, not GNSO's. And while I like IAPP because it seems to have a more neutral tone instead of the Europe x World Manichaeism, I believe
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<p class="MsoNormal">As for themes, I think that the other than GDPR could come from our internal development efforts. For instance, picket fence, trademarks, abuse investigation, registrar operations, RDAP... let me throw people under the bus without consulting
them just to indicate how we could provide primer sessions on these angles making for a "Renaissance" WG:<o:p></o:p></p>
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we don’t, it shouldn’t just be for one privacy skill set which would result in an unbalanced ePDP WG. I think some 101 in both GDPR and Trademarks is more than sufficient to ensure everyone on the ePDP WG has a common vocabulary. I’m surprised by the resistance
on the call today to the idea and the steadfast holding to the notion of gatekeeping IAPP certification which will result in exclusions from the team and undermine its outcomes from Day 1. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>; GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] Suggestion for membership criteria of proposed Expedited Policy Development Process<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Maybe because I'm an economist that doesn't want to become a pseudo lawyer in either trademark law or in data protection, my needs t o follow
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My question is to what degree does WHOIS have a bias for or against both, trademark law and GDPR. As some might know, we economist are all about
efficiency and efficiency loses. And my understanding is that any change in WHOIS, either planned or imposed, creates great efficiency losses to our members of the CPH. And in some cases, those efficiency loses cost a lot of money!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The Bonner Landesgericht put an interesting efficiency concept on the table: Datensparsamkeit. (something like be stingy with data -collection-).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So from my personal perspective, and I repeat, independently if I'm qualified or not to be a member of the ePDP, my basic question is and would
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">For that I don't need more knowledge on either Trademark and/or Privacy Law. What I need are hard facts, best expressed by numbers of dollars.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Tricky though, since those of us representing consumers that are protected by intellectual property laws from confusing misuses of marks often feel that those participating in WG’s don’t understand the fundamentals
of trademark laws either. Certainly in the case of this EPDP we would want people to have the basics of trademark law as well. Perhaps instead of using these useful skills sets as gatekeepers, we ask staff to develop curriculum for the first session or two
hitting these two issues and setting forth some basic vocabulary. I’d be happy to participate with staff in the effort from the trademark side if you would be happy to participate with staff in the effort from the data protection side.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>council [mailto:<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ayden Férdeline<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 07, 2018 3:12 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[council] Suggestion for membership criteria of proposed Expedited Policy Development Process<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I have just finished reviewing the proposed agenda for our meeting next week along with the mindmap that Council leadership and staff have developed (thanks for doing this!).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I would like to put forward a suggestion for the Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) team criteria. While the scope of the EPDP remains unclear at present, what
I took away from the call between the Board and the Council on Tuesday was that compliance with the law is crucial. As such I think it is imperative that *all* members be able to demonstrate that they have a basic understanding of the principles and legal
terms of data protection.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I would like to request that any community member who is appointed to the EPDP, or staff member supporting the EPDP, be able to demonstrate they have completed at least
3 hours of data protection training. I do not think this would be a huge burden, but I think it would make work easier, as there should be a common understanding of essential terms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">There are short half-day 'Data Protection 101' classes run by institutions like the policy neutral International Association of Privacy Professionals, whose courses only
use definitions of terms that have been defined in law for over 20 years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">For those who don't hold this certification, I would like to request that ICANN reimburse the members of the EPDP for their modest and reasonable costs in obtaining it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I would like to hear your thoughts here, however I would also like to ask that this suggestion please be given serious consideration. Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ayden Férdeline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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