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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I think it’s important that people have a baseline
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I do not think that ICANN should be paying out thousands of dollars to provide training.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Also, most businesses have had access to GDPR courses, conferences, seminars etc., for the last 18+ months. If people want to understand it they’ve had plenty of opportunities. Most of my key staff have attended at least
one GDPR course in the last 12 months, with several attending multiple courses. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">We agree that participants need to have the baseline knowledge. We fundamentally disagree on how they get there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">https://www.blacknight.com/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">http://blacknight.blog/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Personal blog: https://michele.blog/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 13 June 2018 at 12:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com>, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] Suggestion for membership criteria of proposed Expedited Policy Development Process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just want to clarify my proposal, as I agree that ICANN should not be funding any activities which do not have a direct relevance to the work ahead. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Given the time crunch there is a need for this working group to come up to speed as swiftly as possible. There is no time to teach someone the basics of what the DNS is etc. We have that expertise in the community already; I have no doubt
that the various stakeholder groups and SO/ACs can find members with an adequate understanding of the core issues. But where the community does have a deficit of knowledge is in privacy and data protection matters. I am not saying that there is no one with
an understanding of these issues (of course there is), but not enough people. So from my vantage point we can either recruit privacy practitioners — and upskill them on the DNS, or vice versa, find DNS experts and leave them with a basic understanding of the
GDPR. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think there is a legitimate need for ICANN to fund this training, as DNS experts would be acquiring this new skill in order to contribute to ICANN’s policy making process and not for personal benefit. I think the benefit to the individual
is minimal — I highly doubt anyone is going to leave their career in DNS policy and become a privacy practitioner after taking a 3-4 hour course.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The idea behind having the course conducted by an independent party with expertise in privacy and data protection and no interest in the outcome of the EPDP was that it would hopefully be viewed by those undertaking the training as a neutral,
helpful instrument. I also envisioned individuals choosing their own provider and not ICANN mandating one, though parameters around cost should be in place, to ensure the course/whatever is reasonable. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can’t recall if I used the word "certification" or if someone else did, but I think I only asked that members be able to demonstrate that they have knowledge of data protection principles. That matters more to me than a certificate!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Férdeline <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:24, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">I agree.</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">The key point that I think many of us agree on is that knowledge / training, call it what you will, is highly beneficial in general. One of the issues we ran
into repeatedly in the RDS PDP was that people either were not familiar with the subject matter beyond their own, specific narrow interest and / or they had little to no familiarity with how ICANN’s processes in terms of policy development work.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">In the case of this ePDP any member of the group that is eventually formed will need to have a basic grounding in several key areas including privacy and GDPR.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">While certification is "nice" I also agree that it should not be a requirement and I would have issues with ICANN paying thousands of Euro to give people this
kind of training. If someone wants to get certified in privacy / GDPR or anything else I’m sure that will help them further their careers, but last time I checked neither ICANN as a whole nor the GNSO specifically is a training camp for people.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">As for providing primers – I think it’s a good idea and if I can help I’d be happy to.</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Mr Michele Neylon</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Blacknight Solutions</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">https://www.blacknight.com/</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Personal blog: https://michele.blog/</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB">
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 13 June 2018 at 02:11<br>
<b>To: </b>GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] Suggestion for membership criteria of proposed Expedited Policy Development Process</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'll repeat a point I made in chat today: requiring and providing training is not excluding, but requiring certification is. Actually, for who is paying for the training, the actual
knowledge is more important than the certification, which only benefits the certified person. So while I would find reasonable that someone that happens to have a certification to excuse himself/herself from the training, I don't see us establishing a certification
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And if that changes the price, every certification (opposed to training) should come on that person's dime, not GNSO's. And while I like IAPP because it seems to have a more neutral
tone instead of the Europe x World Manichaeism, I believe we could look at other options.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As for themes, I think that the other than GDPR could come from our internal development efforts. For instance, picket fence, trademarks, abuse investigation, registrar operations,
RDAP... let me throw people under the bus without consulting them just to indicate how we could provide primer sessions on these angles making for a "Renaissance" WG:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 12 Jun 2018, at 11:51, McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Actually, you agree with me. I don’t think we should have any gatekeeping barriers, such as IAPP certifications, designed to exclude anyone. But, if
we are going to go down the path of exclusion, and I hope we don’t, it shouldn’t just be for one privacy skill set which would result in an unbalanced ePDP WG. I think some 101 in both GDPR and Trademarks is more than sufficient to ensure everyone on the
ePDP WG has a common vocabulary. I’m surprised by the resistance on the call today to the idea and the steadfast holding to the notion of gatekeeping IAPP certification which will result in exclusions from the team and undermine its outcomes from Day 1. </span>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [council] Suggestion for membership criteria of proposed Expedited Policy Development Process
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">It was a very interesting Council call today, of which I could only follow the initial 2/3 or so.</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">After the call I went back to this ideas of Ayden and Paul, and I found myself in disagreement with both of you.</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Maybe because I'm an economist that doesn't want to become a pseudo lawyer in either trademark law or in data protection,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My question is to what degree does WHOIS have a bias for or against both, trademark law and GDPR. As some might know,
we economist are all about efficiency and efficiency loses. And my understanding is that any change in WHOIS, either planned or imposed, creates great efficiency losses to our members of the CPH. And in some cases, those efficiency loses cost a lot of money!</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The Bonner Landesgericht put an interesting efficiency concept on the table: Datensparsamkeit. (something like be stingy
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So from my personal perspective, and I repeat, independently if I'm qualified or not to be a member of the ePDP, my
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">For that I don't need more knowledge on either Trademark and/or Privacy Law. What I need are hard facts, best expressed
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">With that SOI, I express my interest to be part of the ePDP, either as member, or else as unqualified bystander
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Tricky though, since those of us representing consumers that are protected by intellectual property laws from confusing misuses of marks often feel that
those participating in WG’s don’t understand the fundamentals of trademark laws either. Certainly in the case of this EPDP we would want people to have the basics of trademark law as well. Perhaps instead of using these useful skills sets as gatekeepers,
we ask staff to develop curriculum for the first session or two hitting these two issues and setting forth some basic vocabulary. I’d be happy to participate with staff in the effort from the trademark side if you would be happy to participate with staff
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I would like to put forward a suggestion for the Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) team criteria. While
the scope of the EPDP remains unclear at present, what I took away from the call between the Board and the Council on Tuesday was that compliance with the law is crucial. As such I think it is imperative that *all* members be able to demonstrate that they
have a basic understanding of the principles and legal terms of data protection.</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I would like to request that any community member who is appointed to the EPDP, or staff member supporting the
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">There are short half-day 'Data Protection 101' classes run by institutions like the policy neutral International
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