<div dir="ltr">Hi Pam,<div><br>thanks for the comments.</div><div>Yes, that is the work plan that was proposed and put for review for EPDP team.  we are following it for the time being.<br>I also thought that may be helpful to do so and use that table (but focusing on temporary spec sections for now) to indicate progress. let me give another try and see if I can tweak it.</div><div>for expectations to liaison, I will notify any possible delay to the council in a timely manner. I may share more update later this week about the first deliverable.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le mar. 4 sept. 2018 à 07:57, Pam Little <<a href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com">pam.little@alibaba-inc.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140__aliyun_email_body_block"><div style="clear:both"><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none">In terms of tracking progress, the EPDP Timeline included in the weekly update is too high level. </span><span style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;color:#000000;font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;text-transform:none;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"> </span>The EPDP Charter actually requires the EPDP Team to develop a work plan and submit it to the Council. Is the work plan posted on wiki ready for the Council? Would tracking progress against a detailed work plan make more sense?</div><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"></div></div><div style="clear:both"><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none"><br></span></div></div><div style="clear:both"><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none">See relevant excerpts from the EPDP Charter"</span></div></div><div style="clear:both"><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><br></div></div><div style="clear:both"><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><em><span style="color:#000000;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-size:15.0px">The EPDP Team shall respect the <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">timelines</span> and deliverables as outlined in Annex A and A-1 of the ICANN Bylaws and the EPDP Manual. As per the GNSO EPDP Working Group Guidelines, the EPDP Team shall develop a work plan that outlines the necessary steps and expected timing in order to achieve the milestones of the EPDP as set out in Annex A and A-1 of the ICANN Bylaws and the EPDP Manual and submit this to the GNSO Council. Any significant updates to the work plan are expected to be communicated in a timely manner to the GNSO Council with an explanation as to why the work plan needed adjustment.</span></em></div></div><div style="clear:both"><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140page" title="Page 10" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140section"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140layoutArea"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140column"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140page" title="Page 20" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140section"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140layoutArea"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140column"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140page" title="Page 17" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140section"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140layoutArea"><div class="m_-3692641023160402140column"><p><br></p><p><em><span style="color:#000000;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none;font-size:15.0px;font-family:Calibri">... the GNSO Council furthermore expects that the liaison:</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color:#000000;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none;font-size:15.0px;font-family:Calibri">...</span></em></p><ul style="color:#000000;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none;list-style-type:none"><li><p><em><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:15.0px">●  </span><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:15.0px">Will notify the Council in a timely manner should there be any adjustment to the work plan and, in</span><font face="-webkit-standard"> </font><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:15.0px">particular, any delay that may be likely to occur in adhering to the agreed EPDP milestones.</span></em></p></li></ul></div></div></div></div><p></p><p><em><span style="color:#000000;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none;font-size:15.0px;font-family:Calibri">The EPDP Team is expected to communicate in a timely manner should there be any adjustment to the work plan and especially any delay that may have occurred in meeting the EPDP milestones.</span></em></p></div></div></div></div><p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none"></span></div></div><div style="clear:both"><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none"><br></span></div></div><div style="clear:both"><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none">Kind regards,</span></div><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><br></div><div style="margin:.0px;padding:.0px;border:.0px;outline:.0px;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:.0px;background-color:#ffffff;clear:both"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-transform:none;text-decoration:none">Pam </span></div></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;color:#000000"><br></span></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;color:#000000">------------------------------------------------------------------</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;color:#000000">Sender:<span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Ayden</span> Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;color:#000000">Sent at:2018 Sep 4 (Tue) 08:45</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;color:#000000">To:Michele <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Neylon</span> - <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Blacknight</span> <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;color:#000000">Cc:Council GNSO <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;color:#000000">Subject:Re: [council] [revised] EPDP team weekly update</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,Arial,STHeiti,SimSun;font-size:14.0px;color:#000000"><br></span></div>I don’t see this as micromanaging. We have delegated tasks. We have given the EPDP team a charter with the outcomes it should be seeking to achieve, and the autonomy to do just that. But we do need to check-in from time to time to make sure everything is on track. And the Council might need to ‘crack the whip’ if it becomes apparent that the driver has gone off-road. <div><br></div><div>I am not asking for a lengthy weekly report; I am just asking for a brief one or two pager <i>with only pertinent information </i>(and not the message that the Council may want to communicate to external audiences, implying everything is swell) that will allow us to check-in and perform our oversight function.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Ayden</span><br><div><br><div>On 4 Sep 2018, at 00:28, Michele <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Neylon</span> - <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Blacknight</span> <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3692641023160402140Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>
<span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Ayden</span>
<div><br></div><div>Our role as Council is to manage policy, but a good manager delegates. What you want sounds akin to micromanaging it, which is not our role.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Michele <br><br><div><span style="font-size:17.0px">Mr Michele <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Neylon</span></span><br><div><div class="m_-3692641023160402140acompli_signature"><div><span class="TSRSpan" id="TSRSpan_34"><img class="TSRWebRatingIcon" src="chrome-extension://cfeleongjhdjephegmmmdjgbfjiindbe/./images/webicon_green.png" style="width: 16px; height: 16px; border: 0px;"></span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color:rgb(184,234,184)">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></div><div><span class="TSRSpan" id="TSRSpan_35"><img class="TSRWebRatingIcon" src="chrome-extension://cfeleongjhdjephegmmmdjgbfjiindbe/./images/webicon_green.png" style="width: 16px; height: 16px; border: 0px;"></span><a href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank" style="background-color:rgb(184,234,184)">https://michele.blog</a></div><div>Intl. +353 (0)59 9183072</div><div>Sent from mobile so usual disclaimers about typos etc apply</div></div></div></div><div><br>
On 3 Sep 2018, at 22:26, <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Ayden</span> Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>Hi Michele,
<div><br></div><div>I would like the update to actually reflect what topics the EPDP team is spending the bulk of its meetings discussing, and to highlight where there are challenges moving forward. It should also highlight where the Charter is unclear, or when documents
 are being provided with insufficient time for team members to review them. This is what I think the Council needs to be made aware of. </div><div><br></div><div>This is a good supplementary report, but as we deliberate on PDP 3.0 and think about how we can improve that, being able to see what works and what isn’t working in the EPDP might offer us some lessons to repeat or not repeat.</div><div><br></div><div>I also think the report should explore how much progress has been made towards answering the questions that are outlined in the mission and scope of the EPDP's Charter.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Ayden</span></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 3 Sep 2018, at 23:09, Michele <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Neylon</span> - <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Blacknight</span> <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3692641023160402140Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Ayden</span>
<div><br></div><div>If there’s something fundamentally going wrong within the ePDP both you and other members of the WG can surely signal it?</div><div><br></div><div>I’m not at all clear as to what kind of update you expect to be provided, especially as quite a few of us are tracking its work quite closely already</div><div><br></div><div>Regards </div><div><br></div><div>Michele <br><br><div><span style="font-size:17.0px">Mr Michele <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Neylon</span></span><br><div><div class="m_-3692641023160402140acompli_signature"><div><span class="TSRSpan" id="TSRSpan_36"><img class="TSRWebRatingIcon" src="chrome-extension://cfeleongjhdjephegmmmdjgbfjiindbe/./images/webicon_green.png" style="width: 16px; height: 16px; border: 0px;"></span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color:rgb(184,234,184)">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></div><div><span class="TSRSpan" id="TSRSpan_37"><img class="TSRWebRatingIcon" src="chrome-extension://cfeleongjhdjephegmmmdjgbfjiindbe/./images/webicon_green.png" style="width: 16px; height: 16px; border: 0px;"></span><a href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank" style="background-color:rgb(184,234,184)">https://michele.blog</a></div><div>Intl. +353 (0)59 9183072</div><div>Sent from mobile so usual disclaimers about typos etc apply</div></div></div></div><div><br>
On 3 Sep 2018, at 19:53, <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Ayden</span> Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><div>I am reluctant to make this comment, but I think it is necessary. I do not see any substantial changes between the format of the previous report and this one. I don’t think this communicated anything useful then, and this update does not leave
 me with an accurate snapshot of the two two-hour long EPDP meetings that I sat through last week. We need something better. </div><div><br></div><div>If there is a need for a report that will give the community confidence that multistakeholderism is working, fine, let’s use this one. But the Council, if it is to deliver proper oversight over this EPDP, needs a separate report that does not
 sugarcoat what is really happening within meetings and glosses over the challenges actually being faced. </div><div><br></div><div>If this same reporting format is used again, I will raise this same objection again. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Ayden</span></div><div><br><div><div><br></div>
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 05:10, Rafik <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Dammak</span> <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><div>hi all,
<div><br></div><div>we made a small edit to the report, please find the new version attached.</div><div>you can find reports here too <span class="TSRSpan" id="TSRSpan_38"><img class="TSRWebRatingIcon" src="chrome-extension://cfeleongjhdjephegmmmdjgbfjiindbe/./images/webicon_green.png" style="width: 16px; height: 16px; border: 0px;"></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/GNSO+Council+Updates" target="_blank" style="background-color:rgb(184,234,184)">
https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/GNSO+Council+Updates</a> </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Le <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">lun</span>. 3 sept. 2018 à 08:55, Rafik <span class="m_-3692641023160402140spellcheck_typo">Dammak</span> <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :
<br></div><div>Hi all,
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