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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I think your “ask” is at odds with what we discussed at length during the drafting of the ePDP’s charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">There was never any expectation that ICANN would provide and fund the kind of comprehensive and in depth GDPR training that you have been demanding.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">It is my understanding that it was agreed that a basic course like the one that has been identified be provided. That is being supplemented by Becky Burr.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I also note that your posts on the ePDP mailing list go into greater detail about what you expect a course to cover and to be frank I’m amazed you’d think that ICANN would be the venue for this kind of training. (see
<a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-team/2018-September/000328.html">
https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-team/2018-September/000328.html</a> )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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It was discussed that “basic” training would be provided and I believe that this is being done. Also there is nothing to stop people independently seeking and getting their own supplemental training.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 11 September 2018 at 19:39<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] EPDP Weekly update<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the response, Marika. I have shared two emails on the EPDP team list over the past 24 hours regarding the GDPR training, neither of which you responded to. I suspect if you posted this same message there, there would be a
high level of disagreement between EPDP members and ICANN org over the approach that you seem to think was endorsed by the EPDP team.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Check the transcript. On 7 August I initially requested GDPR training, and a week later, Stephanie Perrin made the request too. As you might recall, the Council also discussed this matter when drafting the charter for the EPDP. The need
for training had been raised by Martin, myself, and supported by others. Why, then, was the request only actioned when requested by RySG a month later?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is true that the EPDP team was made aware of the names of two providers on the call of 6 September. We were not, however, consulted on the course itself or its contents, and no details were forthcoming. Again, check the Adobe Connect
chat and the questions that were ignored and the short responses given. I personally visited the website of ITgovernance after its name was circulated and no where on the homepage or on their GDPR training page did I find this £20 course. I don’t see it there
today either. I saw and continue to see more comprehensive options. We attempted to clarify with ICANN staff that we were getting a course that would offer at least “three-four hours” of training but received no response. Ultimately staff have selected one
which is supposed to take 45 minutes but can be breezed through in 15.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As for the course being shared with the EPDP team leadership, perhaps that was so, but they did not share it with EPDP members and neither member of the leadership team are themselves GDPR experts. Perhaps they should have consulted with
EDPD members before this course was procured. I had actually suggested to the Council liaison that this happen, but it did not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The course is not adequate and should never have been purchased.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">—Ayden<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11 Sep 2018, at 20:17, Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To provide some context as Council members consider Ayden's input, a request was made by the RySG, and supported by the EPDP Team, for GDPR training. Several suggestions were made for possible training providers by EPDP Team members. Staff
gathered input on these options, including costs and content covered, which was subsequently shared with the EPDP Team leadership who recommended moving forward with the training provided by IT governance (one of the providers recommended by one of the EPDP
Team members) followed by a Q & A session with Becky Burr that will allow for members to put forward any additional questions they may have. The recommended approach was shared with the EPDP Team during its meeting on 6 September during which no objections
were raised, following which the training was procured and distributed to members, alternates and liaisons. The Q & A session with Becky is scheduled for Wednesday 19 September.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marika<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">council <<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 12:03<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a>>, 'Rafik Dammak' <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>,
'Council GNSO' <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [council] EPDP Weekly update</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I encourage members of the Council to research the £20 ($25), 45-minute GDPR course that EPDP members have been offered, and to evaluate whether you think this will leave the EPDP team on the right footing to develop a policy that does
expose ICANN org and the contracted parties to unwanted liabilities. It is my humble view that the training is inadequate and not suitable for our purposes. The course was procured without EPDP team consultation and is intended for frontline individual contributors who
occasionally come across personal data, not for those designing a policy or system. I think ICANN org has done us a great disservice in procuring this course. It’s not disappointing; I think the more accurate descriptor would be "reckless." <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 19:45, Darcy Southwell <<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com"><span style="color:purple">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:38.3pt;text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">What
is the deadline for EPDP members to complete the training?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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noted the project is behind, and I see the items highlighted in yellow as "manageable delay/issue." You agree that these are manageable? I wasn’t sure from your update.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>council [<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org">mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rafik
Dammak<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, September 10, 2018 10:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Council GNSO <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[council] EPDP Weekly update<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">please find the EPDP update of last week. Happy to answer questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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