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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your history regarding the Contracted Parties and the Temp Spec is not accurate.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Contracted Parties asked ICANN repeatedly to deal with the obvious gaps between our contracts, ICANN policies and governing law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This predates any discussions of GDPR, though it was only with the impending risks of the GDPR and the associated fines that ICANN org started taking our concerns seriously.
The late, rushed, and top-down nature of the Temp Spec was unappealing to everyone, including Contracted Parties.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Registrars and registries are engaged in good faith with the policy development process and want it to succeed, but if the ePDP fails then there will be no binding rules around
whois / RDS etc. The ePDP is specifically designed to address an access model during a later phase.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lobbying ICANN directly as the IPC / BC has been doing in my mind undermines the work of the ePDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I hope that we can all concentrate on successfully completing the EPDP first, rather than requesting more top-down initiatives from ICANN.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Paul McGrady <PMcGrady@winston.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 21 September 2018 at 09:12<br>
<b>To: </b>Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] EPDP & Accreditation/Access Model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks Rafik. Thanks Darcy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Darcy, to respond to your request, I’m not sure that I can provide much more background on this than the letter itself, which is pretty self-explanatory. We all know the history:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">GNSO Community working on various policy development efforts to address WHOIS, including protecting privacy and allowing
disclosure for legitimate purposes. .</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">GDPR comes into effect with deadline for fines.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Certain Contracted Parties become concerned about fines and work with Staff to develop the Temp Spec. IPC and other folks
who need disclosure for legitimate purposes practically beg Staff to include the
<b><u>details</u></b> of a framework for such disclosures.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Staff produces a Temp Spec for the Board to implement which contains the
<b><u>requirement</u></b> for disclosures but little detail.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Almost immediately, it is much more difficult to obtain needed disclosures for legitimate purposes, creating a safe haven
for all sorts of Internet maladies. We understand that some do not believe in the existence of this problem, but like most real things, the existence of the problem isn’t dependent on a need for 100% of people to believe in them.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Like Contracted Parties who saw an immediate problem and went to Staff seeking a Temp Spec while GNSO Community policy work
was ongoing, IPC and others are working with Staff to (hopefully) get a Temp Spec in place addressing the details for a uniform/unified disclosure process while the Community work continues. Hopefully, the EPDP produces Policy that finally, after decades
of work, solves all of the above.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">To the extent that the policy development process is being undermined by the letter it seems to me that it has already been undermined by the request by certain Contracted Parties
for the Temp Spec. That ship has sailed and, respectfully, certain of the Contracted Parties were at the helm. I know this may be unpopular email, but I think it is best not to dance around the issues or try to get cute in explaining why the letter was sent.
I think as far as the EPDP is concerned, it seems like a non-issue, since as Rafik noted, the letter had no effect on the work of the EPDP. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Apologies for the inevitable slowness in any future responses to this response. I am in London setting up my daughter’s flat and leaving her here for university, so I will be a
bit distracted and out of the usual time zone until next week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rafik Dammak<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 20, 2018 10:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] EPDP & Accreditation/Access Model</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">while the letter was shared in the mailing list by EPDP team member this week, there was no discussion or reaction on that matter within the EPDP team.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le jeu. 20 sept. 2018 à 03:07, Darcy Southwell <<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Candara",sans-serif;color:black">Rafik, as Council liaison to the EPDP, what can you share about the impact the EPDP Team sees here?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Candara",sans-serif;color:black">Darcy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Darcy Southwell <<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> EPDP & Accreditation/Access Model<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Candara",sans-serif;color:black">The BC/IPC recently sent a letter to ICANN org (<a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fen%2Fsystem%2Ffiles%2Fcorrespondence%2Fbc-ipc-to-marby-07sep18-en.pdf&data=02%7C01%7Cpmcgrady%40winston.com%7C71d033a9821d4ef00ef708d61e8c5549%7C12a8aae45e2f4ad8adab9375a84aa3e5%7C0%7C0%7C636729985406750073&sdata=%2F5e3XBAB9HJLerW3eImKmx9pEWnVev2CGPLuhWxWHGc%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/bc-ipc-to-marby-07sep18-en.pdf</a>)
about the accreditation and access model. This letter seems problematic at this stage of the game. We discussed this issue ad nauseam during the EPDP Charter development and the Council has tasked the EPDP with addressing the Annex. To ask ICANN org to circumvent
the EPDP undermines the policy development process and seems disingenuous to the Council’s approval of the Charter. In addition, the
</span><span style="color:black">EDPB’s July 5 letter states responsibility for designing an access model lies with ICANN
<b><u>and</u></b> the registries/registrars, not just ICANN as indicated in the BC/IPC letter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Candara",sans-serif;color:black">Will our BC and/or IPC councilors please shed some light on this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Candara",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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