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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find below the Adobe Connect recording of the GNSO Council IGO INGO Curative Rights Q&A webinar held on Tuesday 9 October 2018. The slide deck is attached to this email and all recordings and materials
will be posted on the GNSO Master calendar <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Adobe connect recording</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">: <a href="https://participate.icann.org/p55e010miek/">https://participate.icann.org/p55e010miek/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the GNSO Council webinar Q&A on Curative Rights on Tuesday 9 October 2018 at 12:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Nathalie Peregrine:This webinar is for GNSO Council members only, but an audiocast is available for other community members, details of which can be found in the top right-hand pod in the AC
room.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Erika Mann:Joined! Don't need the operator Nathalie. Adobe seems to be working!<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Erika Mann:Thank you!<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Nathalie Peregrine:perfect, thanks Erika<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Keith Drazek (RySG):Hi all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline (NCSG):Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><span lang="IT" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Marie Pattullo:Afternoon!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Hi all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Heather Forrest:Hi everyone - thanks very much for joining<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Syed Ismail Shah:Hello everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> matthew shears:Hi - apologies just in listening mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rubens Kuhl - RySG:Hi all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:The reason why IGOs and INGOs are differentiated here is b/c there will need to be at least one change to the UDRP and URS if the rest of the recs are approved (esp Rec #5).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:Rec 2 does not change the UDRP & URS standard; it just provides an additional clarification but whether a 6ter filing will be enough for standing will be a case-by-case determination
for a UDRP/URS paneliest to make.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:Because the highlighted text in Rec #5 changes the current position under UDRP and URS, taht is why Rec #1 was phrased the way it was. This will mean a change to the UDRP and URS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:Link to Charter (including amendments):<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsoicrpmpdp/WG+Charter">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsoicrpmpdp/WG+Charter</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Donna Austin, RySG:I believe it has done what it was chartered to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Pam Little, RrSG:I agree with Donna<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:yes same understanding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Philippe Fouquart:+1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:The 2 minority statements note perceived problems with Rec #5 that may be relevant to your consideration of this question (though it is two members' views).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Marie Pattullo:Agree that Rec 5 may be divisive but that’s as to result; the Charter does seem to have been followed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:Section 3.7 can be reviewed here:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_annex-2D1-2Dgnso-2Dwg-2Dguidelines-2D18jun18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=FpluryXLCpW6-P9p7EKcPCgytwoUOnKLDYcBDh42CYc&s=OKj-GXrM7dNrgMtsMW6cr_DEaLMkKcPDWiTsEHtPeCk&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_annex-2D1-2Dgnso-2Dwg-2Dguidelines-2D18jun18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=FpluryXLCpW6-P9p7EKcPCgytwoUOnKLDYcBDh42CYc&s=OKj-GXrM7dNrgMtsMW6cr_DEaLMkKcPDWiTsEHtPeCk&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Marie Pattullo:Next steps: do we think the balance of 1 member’s concerns one the one hand and the rest of the WG, and thus the timeline for the community, is something we need to address in
PDP 3.0?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Marie Pattullo:*on<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Keith Drazek (RySG):Thanks Mary. I think the group dynamics is a reasonable consideration for Council in assessing the policy recommendations and process by which they were reached.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Keith Drazek (RySG):Full disclosure: Phil Corwin is a current colleague of mine at Verisign. He was not at Verisign during the bulk of this PDP WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:This is just an except from the most relevant and recent GAC advice. There has been a consistent theme of GAC advice on this topic dating back to 2012 or 2013.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:*excerpt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:The GAC also provided comments to the Initial Report, as did quite a few IGOs. There was also the IGO Small Group Proposal that the Board referred to the WG in late 2016.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rubens Kuhl - RySG:Is Rec. 5 the only one with minority statements ><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rubens Kuhl - RySG:?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:Specifically, yes, Rubens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Avri Doria:Does the report contain repsonses to all of the GAC advice. I quickly read the report when it came out, but do not remember.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:@Avri, not specifically. Typically these are documented during the WG meetings where the advice and comments were addressed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:But there is a section in the Final Report that summarizes how the WG considered the GAC advice and Small Group Proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Avri Doria:ok, thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Marie Pattullo:We of course need to give due weight to GAC advice, but it is unfortunate that the small group chose to work in parallel and not favour integration with the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Keith Drazek (RySG):Was the "small group" dynamic a potential process concern?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rubens Kuhl - RySG:I will float a suggestion that even I am not fully convinced, but as an starting point.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:we cannot prevent the GAC having small groups but that doesnt seem enabling them to participate in PDP directly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Heather Forrest:Indeed, thanks Mary -the history is that this PDP is the result of a previous PDP recommending its formation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rubens Kuhl - RySG:For the council to consider that Rec.5 decision process, considering the 3.7 requests and minority statements, might be tainted; so, to replace the Rec.5 decision from its
original options, using a vote. Regardless of GAC advice or not, only looking at substance.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Keith Drazek (RySG):Thanks Mary, that's helpful context.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Marie Pattullo:Agree Rafik and we'd never want to try to shut down any discussion - but it would help us all to have more integration before we get to the final recommendations stage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rubens Kuhl - RySG:While it's unfortunate that those recs might go against GAC advice, this shouldn't be a factor for council's decision.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Heather Forrest:Facilitated dialogue I believe was Copenhagen and it resulted in the reopening of RC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:@Heather, yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:The Small Group Proposal was sent to the GNSO in Oct or Nov 2016, so it was able to be considered before the Initial REport was finalized for public comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Keith Drazek (RySG):Thanks Donna, much appreciated.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:I've pasted the GAC advice relating to the Small Group Proposal and the WG in the Notes pod on the right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Donna Austin, RySG:I agree with Heather: Continued participation in any PDP WG is challenging becuase of the length of time these efforts take.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:And most GAC members don't engage between ICANN meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Avri Doria:Mary, was recommendation III done. IS the results of this also considered in the report?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:GAC advice you mean, Avri?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Avri Doria:yes, III from advice printed in notes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline (NCSG):i will need to drop off this call shortly, as the EPDP has a call beginning in 8 minutes time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Mary Wong:Yes, the WG discussed GAC advice - but it was already fairly clear that the WG generally did not and would not favor a separate dispute resolution process anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Avri Doria:thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Donna Austin, RySG:But Mary, this was discussed by the WG and was consciously aware that was the consequence?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Keith Drazek (RySG):Thanks Heather<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:one more call to go :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Syed Ismail Shah:Thank you all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Paul McGrady:Thanks all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Marie Pattullo:Thanks everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> matthew shears:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Philippe Fouquart:Thanks Heather, thanks all, safe travels.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:EPDP, here we come...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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