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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks Rafik. The point was not to call for a specific level, I agree, but to say that given the other criteria, this particular one is pointless IMO,
and would suggest to delete it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">In other words, if the applicant can demonstrate they “know the GNSO PDP”, or is “able […] to actively contribute to GNSO activity […] via remote participation
in conference calls or a group mailing list”, asking whether they can speak, understand, or write in decent English is futile.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">It’s really just a personal opinion and not a strong one, but it’s worthwhile noting that within the ISPCP we already have a number of members who
would intervene in a manner that could be misconstrued as “disrespectful” to a native speaker (to use the word of the document), and yet once you ignore the form and focus on substance, their inputs are invaluable to our community of ISPs because they’re from
part of the Internet ecosystem we sometimes have difficulty reaching out to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 10, 2019 12:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Martin Pablo Silva Valent; Arsene Bajuma; council; council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I thought that the current language is neutral since it is not setting a specific threshold or condition (such having some score in TOEIC, TOFEL, IETLS etc) and leave that to applicants who can demonstrate that through their application
which is in English. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">can a different wording alleviate the concerns?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rafik<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le mer. 10 avr. 2019 à 01:30, <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">It counts obviously but not sure this condition is useful either, or that it brings anything
to the list for that matter: can we reasonably expect people to have a “Knowledge of the GNSO policy development process […]” without reasonable good language skills? Because for general speaking and listening skills, I would think B1 English level is good
enough if that means anything to people. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I’m not even sure it looks good for GNSO to say you
<i>have</i> to speak good English to join the band;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Otherwise the list looks good to me, maybe we could have something to the effect that those
who may potentially be new constituency members in the future would be welcome. Just a thought. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Philippe
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Pablo Silva Valent<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 09, 2019 6:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Arsene Bajuma<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>; council<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I agree, for several fellows in the past, the experience was a big intensive improvement in their English, so it is tricky to marginalize less fluent people only based on that.
Fluently is usually acquired in experiences like this one. I would say they require some basic level to follow the debate, like they do currently, but not professional level. Remember a lot of their value is their relevance on their community back home, not
only to work in icann matter but to take their acquired knowledge on their own IG work. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Martin Silva Valent</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Partner | Silva.legal<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Apr 9, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Hi all,<br>
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Thanks for this ongoing effort. I have read the following as part of<br>
the bullet points/<br>
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"Ability to communicate in English orally and in writing, in a<br>
respectful and constructive manner"<br>
<br>
I would like to object to this statement. The ability to speak English<br>
SHOULD NOT, in my opinion, be a criterion when selecting a member of<br>
the fellowship program.<br>
<br>
Happy to hear what you all think here.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Arsene<br>
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2019-04-09 12:15 UTC+02:00, Marie Pattullo <</span><a href="mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">marie.pattullo@aim.be</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">>:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Merci!<br>
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From: Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:14 PM<br>
To: Marie Pattullo <<a href="mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be" target="_blank">marie.pattullo@aim.be</a>><br>
Cc: Pam Little <<a href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com" target="_blank">pam.little@alibaba-inc.com</a>>; Darcy Southwell<br>
<<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a>>; council <<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>;<br>
<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update<br>
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Hi Marie,<br>
<br>
I think that is fine.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Rafik<br>
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Le mar. 9 avr. 2019 à 17:25, Marie Pattullo<br>
<<a href="mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be" target="_blank">marie.pattullo@aim.be</a><<a href="mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be" target="_blank">mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be</a>>> a écrit :<br>
I’m talking to the BC Rafik; hoping it’s not too late for me to send<br>
comments in on Thursday?<br>
Best<br>
Marie<br>
<br>
From: council<br>
<<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>> On<br>
Behalf Of Pam Little<br>
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 5:36 AM<br>
To: Darcy Southwell<br>
<<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a><<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank">mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a>>>;<br>
council<br>
<<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>><br>
Cc:<span class="gmail-m-8698371278317501029apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update<br>
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Thank you for the reminder, Rafik<br>
<br>
I have updated the strawman list of criteria/desirable skills Heather has<br>
kindly put together. I have tried to incorporate Darcy's feedback but<br>
welcome further input/suggestions.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Pam<br>
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Sender:Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>><br>
Sent At:2019 Apr. 9 (Tue.) 11:16<br>
Recipient:Darcy Southwell<br>
<<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a><<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank">mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a>>><br>
Cc:<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Cc%25" target="_blank">Cc%</a><a href="mailto:3Acouncil@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">3Acouncil@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:council@gnso.icann.org</a>>><br>
Subject:Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update<br>
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Thanks Darcy for the feedback.<br>
I would like to ask other councillors to share their input in order to<br>
update the list.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Rafik<br>
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Le mar. 2 avr. 2019 à 03:24, Darcy Southwell<br>
<<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a><<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank">mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com</a>>> a<br>
écrit :<br>
Thanks for sharing, Rafik.<br>
<br>
When I think about fellowship selection, I also think about how we measure<br>
success once a fellow has been selected and completed any level of<br>
participation. I think much of what is outlined is the strawman is valuable<br>
for selection criteria. When we refer to “awareness,” we’re really<br>
referring to knowledge, and we may want to establish definitions of<br>
knowledge levels. For example, consider this these:<br>
<br>
<br>
• Familiar = becoming aware, first introduction<br>
<br>
• Basic = ability to talk about at a high level<br>
<br>
• Fluent = comfortable getting into detail and teaching others<br>
<br>
• Expert = subject matter expert, let me write a book on the<br>
subject<br>
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Working with defined levels of knowledge allows the Council to evaluate the<br>
effectiveness of the selection criteria and the engagement efforts that take<br>
place with the fellows to enable their growth and engagement in the<br>
community.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Darcy<br>
<br>
<br>
From: council<br>
<<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>> On<br>
Behalf Of Rafik Dammak<br>
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:22 PM<br>
To: Council GNSO <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:council@gnso.icann.org</a>>><br>
Subject: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
I am sharing update from Heather regarding the fellowship selection<br>
committee and strawman document for GNSO specific skills expected from<br>
fellows, for council review and input.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Rafik<br>
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De : Heather Forrest<br>
Date: mer. 13 mars 2019 à 17:38<br>
Subject: Re: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update<br>
To:<br>
<br>
Dear Keith, Rafik, Pam,<br>
<br>
Now that the Council meeting of ICANN64 is behind you, I return to the<br>
request from the Fellowship Selection Committee for GNSO-specific target<br>
skills for ICANN Fellows in the ICANN66 selection round.<br>
<br>
For your post-ICANN64 action item list, attached is the strawman I<br>
volunteered to prepare. If Council can finalise its list of criteria at or<br>
before its April meeting, these should be able to be applied to the ICANN66<br>
selection round.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Heather<br>
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