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Thanks for your work on this. I think it captures pretty accurately where we are at<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "Drazek, Keith via council" <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Reply to: </b>Keith Drazek <kdrazek@verisign.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 15 August 2019 at 17:59<br>
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<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council Letter to ICANN Board on EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In preparation for our 22 August GNSO Council meeting, and further Council discussion on this topic, I am attaching an updated draft letter for your review.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have attempted to incorporate everyone’s comments and expressed views in this draft.
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<p class="MsoNormal">To summarize, the goal of this letter is to:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">Annex A-1 Section 6 of the ICANN Bylaws.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3">Create a record of the Council-Board engagement in Marrakech.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3">Advise the Board of the Council’s current thinking around Recommendation #1, Purpose 2 and Recommendation #12.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3">Seek further input from the Board, and ideally confirm a common understanding or more clearly understand any difference of opinion.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3">Ensure that the Council is setting good precedent in terms of how we engage in this kind of situation.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In response to comments from Marie and Flip, we have added language that acknowledges a difference of opinion among Councilors on the subject of Rec #12 and the deletion of data.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please review and provide any comments to the list. We will also discuss next week. Let me know if I missed anything.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks to all and I appreciate your patience on this one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Flip Petillion <fpetillion@petillion.law><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council Letter to ICANN Board on EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Em 30 de jul de 2019, à(s) 10:14:000, Flip Petillion <<a href="mailto:fpetillion@petillion.law">fpetillion@petillion.law</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I share the feeling that it is uncommon to have a substantive discussion within the Council. However, that is exactly what the Bylaws mandate us to do within the atypical framework of expedited PDPs. Doesn’t the proposed one pager attached
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think the bylaws mandate who specifically does that. It's a substantive discussion, but in the same way we ask WGs to take them, we can ask the RegData EPDP WG to answer the substance. If we engage ourselves in a discussion where
we first delegated authority to a WG, we would be disenfranchising them. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">BTW, Expedited PDPs only differ from Standard PDPs by not having an Issue Report to frame discussions. So everything we does here is a precedent for any future PDP, being an EPDP or not. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As to your second comment, I think we owe it to the community to provide the Board with recommendations and reasoning that is legally sound. If certain aspects of privacy have been previously overlooked, now seems the time to correct them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IPC can send Board, PDP or anyone else any communication they see fit at any time. But the discussion here is not that, it's only the Board rationale for not approving the PDP recommendation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Flip Petillion<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br">rubensk@nic.br</a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 30 July 2019 at 13:22<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Flip Petillion <<a href="mailto:fpetillion@petillion.law">fpetillion@petillion.law</a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council Letter to ICANN Board on EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I find strange we are having a substantive discussion on the topic within the Council. I believe our approach to board denials of PDP recommendation should be to ask the PDP WG what clarifications or positions they have, and relay them
to the board. IPC is represented in the PDP so the same content you posted here could be used there while formulating the response, whatever that response would look like. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And still on process grounds, it's clear that the board rationale for not approving part of Rec. 12 is different from the IPC rationale you relayed to the Council. But the rationale that needs to be answered to is the Board one, because
they've made the decision to not fully approve rec. 12. So while it's interesting to know the overall IPC position on the matter, the topic at hand is the Board decision. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Report. To avoid that we enter into circular discussions, we started from the premise in the Final Report (and the draft rationale for rec. #12) that the GDPR could apply to the ‘Organisation’ field. Our point is that, in such a case, the practices of both
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<b>Reply to:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"><span style="color:purple">icann@ferdeline.com</span></a>><br>
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<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Flip Petillion <<a href="mailto:fpetillion@petillion.law"><span style="color:purple">fpetillion@petillion.law</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Maxim Alzoba <<a href="mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com"><span style="color:purple">m.alzoba@gmail.com</span></a>>, Darcy Southwell <<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com"><span style="color:purple">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</span></a>>,
"<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">gnso-secs@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">gnso-secs@icann.org</span></a>>, "<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"><span style="color:purple">council@gnso.icann.org</span></a>"
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<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council Letter to ICANN Board on EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry if this is a stupid question, but since data that does not pertain to natural persons is beyond the scope of the GDPR, I do not understand how you can make the claim that article 4 (2) of the GDPR does not allow for the organisation
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">The IPC <u>shares the Board’s concern</u> that the option to <b>delete</b> the Organisation fields contents as a result of a refusal
or failure to respond by the registrant upon a ‘review request’ by the registrar, <b>risks resulting in a</b> <b>wide scale loss</b> of crucial information about the registrant's identity. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">While the IPC acknowledges that Recommendation #12 achieved consensus support in the EPDP Team’s Phase 1 Final Report, we agree with
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Irrespective of the debate as to whether the organisation field may contain personal data or not, the issues considered in the current rationale
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deletion/erasure by a controller of previously provided personal data is also considered ‘processing’ (article 4 (2) GDPR), for which the controller must determine a purpose and proper legal basis. As a result, a registrar cannot simply delete important information
provided by the registrant unless (i) the registrant has requested the erasure of the ‘Organisation’ field by exercising his right to erasure (this right must be actively exercised and cannot be inferred), (ii) the retention of the ‘Organisation’ field is
no longer necessary for the purposes of processing the domain name registration data (Recommendation #15 implies that the retention period of the data elements would at the minimum be the ‘life of the registration’), or (iii) the registrar can justify the
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opt-in consent (cfr. opt-in emails). Together with the expected difficulties in contacting the registrants and verifying their (lack of) consent on a wide scale, the IPC believes (in accordance with the Board Statement) that this would pose a serious and unnecessary
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<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, 29 July 2019 at 21:41<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Maxim Alzoba <<a href="mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com"><span style="color:purple">m.alzoba@gmail.com</span></a>>, Darcy Southwell <<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com"><span style="color:purple">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">gnso-secs@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">gnso-secs@icann.org</span></a>>, "<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"><span style="color:purple">council@gnso.icann.org</span></a>"
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<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council Letter to ICANN Board on EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, 25 July 2019 at 18:53<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Darcy Southwell <<a href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com"><span style="color:purple">darcy.southwell@endurance.com</span></a>><br>
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<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council Letter to ICANN Board on EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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and therefore objects to modifying Recommendation 12 to remove the deletion option. The Council should seek to formalize the rationale provided to the Board in Marrakech and resubmit the consensus recommendation to the Board for approval. Therefore, RrSG
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That legal analysis must be completed before the EPDP Team can even begin to consider how to revise Purpose 2. </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Further, it is not typical for the Council to instruct a PDP as to when it works
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Policy recommendation delivered to us by the EPDP Team, and subsequently delivered by Council to the Board. In my view, it is the role of Council to now hold the Board accountable for its decision to not accept Rec 12 in full, and to call for the Board to
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EPDP Team a clear instruction to reword this and replace the placeholder language; I understand that it’s not on the Team’s roadmap right now. We really think that at a minimum, Council needs to tell the Team to do that and get it back ASAP for Board action.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[council] Draft GNSO Council Letter to ICANN Board on EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations<o:p></o:p></p>
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and our goal is to ensure a common understanding between Council and Board before we take our formal action to request Board reconsideration on Recommendation 12. We want to avoid an ongoing back-and-forth on the issue, so our hope is this letter will pave
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