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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Indeed. Some thoughts on fixing any discussion in something specific:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Is there a need for scoping work, including an agreed definition and data sets, so that work by ICANN Org, contracted parties, ccTLD managers
and others can be more focused? The term DNS abuse seems to mean different things depending on where it is being used, both within ICANN and in other international forums.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Are there synergies between GNSO and ccNSO in any scoping work that might be done (allowing for the different procedures within the two SOs
– but data is data and contracted parties and ccTLDs both seem to have made major efforts at tracking a range of issues during the pandemic)?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The Council/ccNSO meeting is nearly a week after the plenary session on DNS abuse (about which I can find no specifics at this time) – can
we compare notes on whether it was useful and if there are real action points (and if not can we agree on some)?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 6 October 2020 at 9:28 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be>, Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com>, Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] INPUT NEEDED: Discussion topics for bilateral GNSO Council sessions ICANN69<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Something specific <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It’s very easy to simply say “abuse is a problem” and it’s also not exactly helpful<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Policy needs to be based on facts and facts come from data<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So that’s where I’d be looking<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 6 October 2020 at 11:26<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com>, Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com>, Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [council] INPUT NEEDED: Discussion topics for bilateral GNSO Council sessions ICANN69</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I agree with Tom – great suggestion - and of this is part of that debate, Michele: what do we all actually want/need here?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Best</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Marie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 5, 2020 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com>; Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@icann.org>; council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] INPUT NEEDED: Discussion topics for bilateral GNSO Council sessions ICANN69</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tom et al<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe it’d be more fruitful to be more specific about this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do we have any specific questions for them?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What value are we hoping to get out of the exchange?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michele<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council <<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Tom Dale <<a href="mailto:tomwdale@gmail.com">tomwdale@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 5 October 2020 at 04:09<br>
<b>To: </b>Nathalie Peregrine <<a href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org">nathalie.peregrine@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] INPUT NEEDED: Discussion topics for bilateral GNSO Council sessions ICANN69</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Nathalie.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just one comment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The ADR currently includes, for possible action on DNS abuse, “Council leadership to discuss topic with ccNSO.” Perhaps it could be included in the discussion topics for the Council meeting with the ccNSO.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tom<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council <<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Nathalie Peregrine <<a href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org">nathalie.peregrine@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 7:21 am<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[council] INPUT NEEDED: Discussion topics for bilateral GNSO Council sessions ICANN69</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Keith <a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2020-September/024088.html">
circulated</a> earlier today the list of topics to be discussed during the joint GNSO GAC meeting taking place on Thursday 1 October 2020 at 12:00 UTC. A reminder that this session is open to observers, as are all GNSO Council sessions for ICANN69.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please find below a list of suggested discussion topics for the remaining joint sessions for which your input is needed:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<h3 style="margin-bottom:4.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Meeting with the
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">SSAC </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">on Tuesday 13 October 2020 07:00 – 08:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></h3>
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DNS Abuse<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
Next steps for EPDP<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
Private use TLD<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
SubPro<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
Meta discussions on SSAC Advice<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<h3 style="margin-bottom:4.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Meeting with
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">ICANN Board </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">on Tuesday 13 October 2020 10:00 – 11:30 UTC.
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red">Deadline for topics is Monday 5<sup>th</sup> October 2020.</span><o:p></o:p></h3>
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EPDP Phase 2 <o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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Cost benefit analysis for all SSAD-related recommendations<span class="apple-tab-span">
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Handling of priority 2 recommendations<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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EPDP Phase 1 IRT - Recommendation 7: next steps<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
EPDP Phase 1 - Recommendation 12 Supplemental Recommendation: status update<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<i>Board’s suggested topic: Enhancing the effectiveness of the Multistakeholder model: key issues and opportunities for acceleration. In your preparation you may want to consider the results of the most recent public consultation, and work that has progressed
with dependencies to enhancing the effectiveness of the MSM (such as the ATRT3 report and work on prioritization and budgeting).</i><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<h3 style="margin-bottom:4.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Meeting with the
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">ccNSO </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">on Tuesday 20 October 2020 10:30 – 12:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></h3>
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IDNs (ccNSO PDP4, GNSO IDNs Operational Track 1 & Policy Track 2)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
FY21 Budget and Ops Plan coordination<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
ccNSO Board recall guideline, and related, potential future collaboration to change the ICANN Bylaws. Particularly, the need to make Annex D (incl timelines), more SO/AC friendly.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Nathalie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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