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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Yes, sorry for
innocently starting this up. But it has been interesting to see
the level of interest. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/26/2019 8:42 PM, Cheryl
Langdon-Orr wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Well said JZ...</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 04:11
Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>>
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style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Let's
table this discussion until we can have a more thorough
exploration of the issues. Email is a terrible way in
which to have such a discussion. Threads get lost, broken,
etc. and everyone is looking at this from a very narrow
perspective. We owe it to our constituency to take a
broader view and to spend the time getting it right.</div>
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color="#000000"><b>From:</b> GTLD-WG <<a
href="mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Maureen Hilyard <<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 26, 2019 1:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> George Kirikos<br>
<b>Cc:</b> CPWG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] renewal of .org
registry</font>
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<div>Are these end-user issues that apply to the comment
that the CPWG initially proposed to add to the
registry submissions about the pricing of domains? We
seem to have gotten a bit off track. </div>
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<div>Maureen<br>
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26, 2019 at 6:35 AM George Kirikos <<a
href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@leap.com</a>>
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Hi folks,<br>
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:57 AM Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Finally, this concern about protecting small
non-profits from paying big bucks for domain names
would seem a lot more genuine if it included support
for price caps in the resale market (i.e., the
secondary market or aftermarket).<br>
<br>
You're conflating 2 different issues, Greg. The
registry operators<br>
charge *fees* for registry services (i.e. managing a
central database,<br>
the zone file, the nameservers that spit back the
nameservers for the<br>
various domain names in that registry). The market
value of those<br>
services are below $1/yr/domain (e.g. 70 cents per
domain per year for<br>
the .IN ccTLD, as per their recent tender won by
Neustar).<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://domainincite.com/23976-neustar-completes-in-migration"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://domainincite.com/23976-neustar-completes-in-migration</a><br>
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The secondary market or aftermarket is a marketplace
for the asset<br>
value of the domain names themselves, which is an
entirely different<br>
market than that for registry services.<br>
<br>
To understand this distinction, consider a trademark
registry, like<br>
the USPTO, which has a fee structure for the services
they provide for<br>
the registration and maintenance of trademarks. Those
fees are<br>
entirely unrelated to the value of the trademark
itself. A trademark<br>
owned by Google for "GOOGLE" or by Nike for "JUST DO
IT" has set fees,<br>
and Google or Nike are free to sell, assign, license,
etc. those<br>
trademarks to others at whatever the market will bear.
Companies like<br>
Hilco Streambank routinely auction off the IP of
companies, including<br>
their trademarks, see:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.hilcostreambank.com/closed-deals"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.hilcostreambank.com/closed-deals</a><br>
<br>
and of course, owners of TMs do these kinds of
transactions all the<br>
time. For example, Hooters sold their trademark for
$60 million.<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2001/04/09/story1.html"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2001/04/09/story1.html</a><br>
<br>
The same comparison exists for a land registry and
houses. Or a<br>
copyright registry, and the copyrighted works. The
story of the<br>
Beatles catalog makes interesting reading:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7662519/beatles-catalog-paul-mccartney-brief-history-ownership"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7662519/beatles-catalog-paul-mccartney-brief-history-ownership</a><br>
<br>
and that catalog only has value due to the copyrights
(once those<br>
copyrights expire, the works fall into the public
domain, and the<br>
works are free for everyone to use).<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
George Kirikos<br>
416-588-0269<br>
<a href="http://www.leap.com/" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.leap.com/</a><br>
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