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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I am reading powerful
arguments on both sides of this issue and then reading Greg's
proposed comment again. In the particular case of .org, and
should we decide to go in the direction that Greg has mapped,
would it be possible to beef up the last line. It seems like a
throw away but it could be a good bridge between the opposing
points of view. The comment asks that ICANN "monitor" future
price increases and any market responses to those increases.
What should ICANN do if it decides the increases are
unwarranted?</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">@Christopher -- eh
bien, le poisson est encore vivant !!<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/26/2019 5:41 PM, Greg Shatan
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<div dir="auto">Justine,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thank you for your kind words and helpful
comments.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Unfortunately, the “party” got rained out. The
CPWG decided not to approve this statement, whether it covers
all the renewals or is limited to .ORG. So nothing is being
sent to the ALAC for their consideration. I think it’s a good
statement, and it would be made better with your suggestions. I
am considering revising this draft, cutting the subject back to
.ORG and submitting it individually. Also, circulating it for
others to submit — either individually or with multiple
signatures.</div>
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<div dir="auto">In particular, I am concerned there are a number
of comments being made that tend to denigrate PIR and ISOC.
This is something I would like to counter. [Full disclosure: I
am the President of ISOC-NY (an At-Large Structure) and
participate here in that capacity. However, I have not yet
asked the ISOC-NY Board to consider endorsing this statement, so
I am discussing it here in my individual capacity.]. I honestly
think much of what has been said about PIR and ISOC has been
untrue or exaggerated and fails to to give credit to ISOC for
its mission and unique place in the internet ecosystem.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I believe that PIR was hoping for a comment along
the lines of our first draft (which I believe they saw on our
site) or our second draft. I’m not comfortable leaving PIR and
ISOC to be “thrown under the bus” by ill-informed and
prejudicial comments. If ALAC will not comment (or more
precisely, if the CPWG wont send ALAC a draft comment for their
consideration), then it behooves those who support this
statement to submit it or use it as a basis for their own
comments.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best regards,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Greg</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:02
AM Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thanks
to Greg Shatan for the 24 April draft statement. <br>
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My comments / suggestion are as follows:-<br>
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1. I wonder if it might be better to prepare (and
submit) 2 statements instead of a consolidated one ie.
one to address .BIZ, .ORG and .INFO and another for
.ASIA.. This is because .ASIA had a "different playing
field of no price caps" to begin with and in this way,
any concerns about price cap removals for .BIZ, .ORG and
.INFO can be addressed squarely in comparison with .NET
and with reference to the ALAC's 2017 comment. Given
that we don't seem to be offering comments to the
inclusion of some RPMs.<br>
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2. In any case, the draft starts with "Background" but
doesn't indicate where that backgrounder ends and where
the present comment begins.<br>
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3. Related to the point about standardizing RAs as being
a good approach, it be useful to draw attention to the
use of Addendums as the controlled means for handling
necessary variations.<br>
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4. Would it not be incumbent on At-Large to also support
(or least comment on) regularizing the inclusion of PICs
in these RA renewals (if any)?<br>
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5. As for UA, it's not clear (to me at least) what we
want all ROs to do about it at this point. Given
community interest on UA has increased further in recent
meetings, actual responsibilities might be better framed
in due course. So, it may be prudent to tackle the
inclusion of UA into the base Registry Agreement by
amending Specification 6, or possibly by way of a
consensus policy addition in Specification 1, at a later
date. </div>
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Justine<br>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">(my
apologies for being late to the "party")</div>
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04:15, Evin Erdogdu <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">evin.erdogdu@icann.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thank
you Greg; this draft ALAC Statement on the 4
Registry Agreement Public Comments is posted to
each workspace, for comment:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Renewal+of+.biz+Registry+Agreement"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:rgb(0,82,204);background:white">At-Large Workspace:
Proposed Renewal of .biz Registry Agreement</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Renewal+of+.asia+Registry+Agreement"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:rgb(0,82,204);background:white">At-Large Workspace:
Proposed Renewal of .asia Registry Agreement</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Renewal+of+.org+Registry+Agreement"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:rgb(0,82,204);background:white">At-Large Workspace:
Proposed Renewal of .org Registry Agreement</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Renewal+of+.info+Registry+Agreement"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:rgb(0,82,204);background:white">At-Large Workspace:
Proposed Renewal of .info Registry Agreement</span></a></p>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Kind
Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Evin</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black">GTLD-WG
<<a
href="mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at
2:44 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>CPWG <<a
href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">cpwg@icann.org</a>>,
Evin Erdogdu <<a
href="mailto:evin.erdogdu@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">evin.erdogdu@icann.org</a>>,
Jonathan Zuck <<a
href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Fwd: FW:
Draft Comment on RA Renewals</span></p>
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ms",sans-serif">President,
ISOC-NY</span></p>
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style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">"The
Internet is for everyone"</span></i></p>
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