<div><div><div><div dir="auto">I would not place much weight on the slew of comments sent in on .ORG (and others). Many of these are “cut-and-paste” comments with identical text. Others are one-liners. Some are quite ill-informed (one commenter thought they would have to pay the RO quarterly fee, others have thought that PIR is a for-profit organization, etc., etc.).</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I assume that some commenters sincerely felt threatened. But was this a credible, well-founded or well-informed fear, or just a trip through a fun-house designed to get a rise out of the commenters? A great number of these comments are the direct result of a well-orchestrated campaign, rife with overblown statements and catastrophic worst-case scenarios. In the absence of other information, such campaigns can be quite effective in fomenting fear and then harnessing that fear in order to flood a comments period. We’ve seen this before. If you wind people up, you can get a lot of them to go in the direction you want.</div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It might be too generous to say that “some lobby groups” are behind this. It appears to be one. A Google search revealed the “engine” used to generate all of those identical comments, complete with four pre-loaded variations, and cleverly engineered so that the comment will come from the sender’s own email account and not from the “engine.” The page is here: <div><a href="https://www.internetcommerce.org/comment-org/">https://www.internetcommerce.org/comment-org/</a>. There are multiple links from other pages, blogs, social media accounts, etc., to this resource.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">These campaigns can reach out in many directions, in different places and in different guises. It can take a great deal of discernment to recognize them for what they are and to resist them. I hope that the CPWG collectively can be discerning.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Greg</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 4:12 AM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">So, perhaps the price
cap removal could be delayed until after the market impact
evaluation process that Greg has outlined in the new proposal
was in place. Otherwise, there is no incentive to actually
proceed with the process. I realize that evaluation process was
intended for the .org part of the package but could apply to
all.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">That said, I am mostly
concerned with the impact on .org. I know that some lobby groups
have gone into overdrive over this issue -- but users don't
respond to these things unless they truly feel threatened. And
users have responded in droves. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">If we ignore this,
whatever the good reasons to release the caps which have been
put forward here and which I understand, I don't think we are
listening to end-users.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="m_-4373590947004419507m_-8886818565134249638m_-1702559591056188843moz-cite-prefix">On 4/30/2019 9:46 AM, Justine Chew
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thanks for
the revised draft, Greg.<br>
<br>
I'd rather hope that we could address all 3 .org, .biz. and
.info RA renewals in a single statement in an attempt to
consider inter-connected ramifications and while still
verbalising support for ISOC without singling out the .org RA
renewal. <br>
<br>
My personal position is while I don't object to the proposed
price cap removal because I see some merits in Jonathan's
explanation, I think it might be worth considering doing so in
a less abrupt fashion by deferring the price cap removal to
give potential and existing registrants time/leeway to plan
for/react to an eventual price cap removal. My proposition
here has to do more with the <b>impact of acquiescing to
immediate price cap removals</b> <b>on the .biz, and .info
TLDs</b>, and by extension, on .com and .net TLDs
eventually. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 15:31,
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Dear Greg,<br>
<br>
thanks for this revised draft. However, I deplore that once
again my proposal of the Registry fees to ICANN following
inflation is still not integrated to this Statement whilst
this has received support from CPWG participants and I have
heard nobody speaking against this.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">All,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am attaching
another, further revised draft public comment on the
.ORG renewal, after sifting through the various recent
conversations on the list. I will try to circulate a
redline in the morning, New York time, but can't right
now.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I thought about
including something on UA, but for .ORG and in the
absence of proposed language, I did not see the
obvious hook in this statement to bring that concept
in.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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</div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Greg Shatan</font><div><a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">greg@isoc-ny.org</font></a></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">President, ISOC-NY</font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><i>"The Internet is for everyone"</i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>