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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thanks Justine and
Greg for putting together this document which I think is
excellent. Whatever the massaging to finalize item 3 below, in
the end, it honestly represents our discussions. Grateful to you
both for this work.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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Firstly, I note that there may well be more than 1 email
thread within the CPWG mail list discussing the .ORG RA
renewal (and/or other RA renewals). So, there is a
certainly the chance I have not been able to follow
every one of them.<br>
<br>
Secondly, I am responding (partly) to <b>Bastiaan's and
Holly's</b> request for a re-draft of Greg's 30 April
draft, and <b>Olivier's</b> request regarding registry
fees payable to ICANN Org, which I have (almost)
completed, and attach herewith is my two-cents' worth
copy of the re-draft (marked as v4, and both redlined
and clean copies). The reasons I say "partly" and
"almost" are as follows:-<br>
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1. I have removed all references to .asia as there is an
existing draft statement specifically for the .asia RA
renewal, prepared by <b>Maureen</b>.<br>
<br>
2. Thanking Greg for incorporating my suggestion to
include a reference in support of the regularization of
PICs into the proposed RA renewals, I have since
suggested that we also support the regularization of a
few other aspects in the RA renewals. These, including
that of PICs, are set out under section (I) of the copy.<br>
<br>
3. In respect of price cap debate, I have now set out
the different opinions and bases in section (II)
including a third which suggests a deferment of the
price cap removal with conditions. However, section (II)
is incomplete because:-<br>
(a) As this point, I still do not know the conclusion
for the group supporting removing price caps. <br>
(b) I will qualify by saying that I do not know if the
suggestion to defer removal is intrinsically linked to
one (or more) request for economic study or not. Instead
I have based the deferment suggestion on the notion of
fairness. <br>
<br>
As such, the key portions touching on these two points
are marked in yellow highlights for ease of locating.<br>
<br>
4. I have included under section (III) the request for
registry fees payable to ICANN Org to be adjusted for
inflation on an <u>annual basis and for this adjustment
to also be adopted in the base RA</u>. Olivier/others
should indicate whether section (III) is acceptable.<br>
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5. I have also included under section (IV) a comment
about UA which I think is general enough to be
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<b style="font-size:small">I am handing this v4
over to Greg for settling since he is the
designated penholder in this case. Thanks, Greg!</b><br>
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Thank you all in advance for your consideration. I
am hoping that the attachments will get through
the mailing list. If not, please refer to the
relevant wiki workspace: <br>
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/-oSGBg"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/-oSGBg</a><br>
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Justine Chew </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 1 May 2019 at
16:49, Jonathan Zuck <<a
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despite presumptive renewal, ICANN is under no
obligation to renew<br>
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Zuck<br>
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Director<br>
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Network Foundation<br>
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href="http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org"
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dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri,
sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> GTLD-WG
<<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Alan Greenberg <<a
href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 1, 2019 12:43:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan; Maureen Hilyard<br>
<b>Cc:</b> CPWG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG]
[registration-issues-wg] Further Revised Draft
Statement on .ORG Renewal</font>
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<div>The problem with a post-removal study is what do
you do if you find things have gone south. What is the
recourse?<br>
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Alan<br>
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At 30/04/2019 12:50 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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class="gmail-m_-3239600721047641568gmail-m_-9187181929057544551gmail-m_7925212116244348838cite">All,<br>
<br>
A few responses to the various earlier emails.<br>
<br>
@Ricardo, Good point. I think it makes sense to
call for several studies over time, rather than a
single study.<br>
<br>
@Olivier, My omission of your contribution was an
oversight, not a conclusion that the view lacked
support or was off-topic. My apologies. I, for one,
would be happy to add something on Registry fees to
the draft. Please provide text or point me to the
best iteration of your suggested text (which I
missed, sadly). Or I can take what is in
Justine’s draft.<br>
<br>
Personally, I am not in favor of doing an economic
study before removing the price cap. As Jonathan
notes, this work has already been done. My thought
was to have a study done in “real time,†based on
observing the domain name market(s) after the caps
were lifted, so that the effects could be accurately
observed and analyzed, and used to inform future
action. Predictive studies are by their nature
speculative, and can more easily be bent in one
direction or the other.. They tend to be more
successful and reliable when the study structure and
method is well-understood and time-tested (e.g., a
pre-merger analysis). A predictive study here may
prove far less reliable and useful, given the number
of variables and inputs and the novelty of the
study. I also think it’s an unrealistic request.
But as penholder, I will draft whatever the
consensus becomes.<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:11 PM Maureen Hilyard
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd>Thank you, John. I think a consensus call on
the document will be required from this session
because the extension we requested closes soon
after and Evin has to prepare the doc for
submission. We can do ratification by the ALAC
after the fact but a recorded consensus would be
helpful.<br>
<br>
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<dd>M <br>
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<dd>On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:50 AM John Laprise
<<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<dd>Maureen,<br>
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<dd>In the event that you're not at tomorrow's
meeting, do you want me to take any action
on your behalf as vice chair?<br>
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<dd>Sent from my Pixel 3XL<br>
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<dd>John Laprise, Ph.D.<br>
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<dd>On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 9:59 AM Maureen
Hilyard <<a
href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com"
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maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd>I like this version Greg .<br>
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<dd>In case I can't make tomorrow's CPWG
meeting. I believe the new version
provides a good compromise of the
different views that have been presented
by the CPWG discussants. I like the idea
of an economic study as well as Marita's
suggestion to delay any change until the
results of such a study were revealed.<br>
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<dd>I also prefer putting the RAs under
one umbrella statement. The separate
.asia statement reinforces support for
the inclusion of UA. Anything else that
is relevant would be in the general ALAC
RA statement.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:14 PM Greg
Shatan <<a
href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<dd>All,<br>
<br>
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<dd>I am attaching another, further
revised draft public comment on the
.ORG renewal, after sifting through
the various recent conversations on
the list. I will try to circulate
a redline in the morning, New York
time, but can't right now.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>I thought about including
something on UA, but for .ORG and in
the absence of proposed language, I
did not see the obvious hook in this
statement to bring that concept in.<br>
<br>
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<dd>Best regards,<br>
<br>
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<dd>Greg<br>
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