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I might be wrong about this then. Thanks for the citations George. I've known there was a presumption for renewal but believed there was an out for ICANN in extreme circumstances. Perhaps we need to add language to that part of the contract while we can.<br>
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of George Kirikos <icann@leap.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 1, 2019 12:33:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CPWG<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alan Greenberg<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Further Revised Draft Statement on .ORG Renewal</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi folks,<br>
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Jonathan's statement that "ICANN is under no obligation to renew" is<br>
not supported by any citation, not supported by history, and not<br>
correct, as one can easily check by reading the draft contract itself:<br>
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<a href="https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/tlds/org/org-proposed-renewal-18mar19-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/tlds/org/org-proposed-renewal-18mar19-en.pdf</a><br>
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"4.2 Renewal. (a) This Agreement will be renewed for successive<br>
periods of ten (10) years upon the expiration of the initial Term set<br>
forth in Section 4.1 and each successive Term, unless:..."<br>
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(list circumstances not at ICANN's discretion, e.g. if Registry<br>
operator breaches and doesn't cure that breach, etc.)<br>
<br>
Which part of "will be renewed" isn't clear?<br>
<br>
Section 4.3 talks about termination, and again it's not at ICANN's discretion.<br>
<br>
Combine the above with Section 5.4, which ensures "specific<br>
performance" of the contract, and it's clear that ICANN is under an<br>
obligation to renew:<br>
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"5.4 Specific Performance. Registry Operator and ICANN agree that<br>
irreparable damage could occur if any of the provisions of this<br>
Agreement was not performed in accordance with its specific terms.<br>
Accordingly, the parties agree that they each shall be entitled to<br>
seek from the arbitrator or court of competent jurisdiction specific<br>
performance of the terms of this Agreement (in addition to any other<br>
remedy to which each party is entitled)."<br>
<br>
One need only look at the market cap of Verisign. It wouldn't be so<br>
high if it was reflecting just a 6 year or 10 year contract term. That<br>
presumptive renewal was a major policy blunder by ICANN, as I noted in<br>
my own public comments.<br>
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<a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-org-renewal-18mar19/2019q2/003178.html">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-org-renewal-18mar19/2019q2/003178.html</a><br>
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If ICANN wasn't under any obligation to renew, certainly it would have<br>
held competitive tenders by now, which they've never done since<br>
entering into these types of contracts.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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George Kirikos<br>
416-588-0269<br>
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On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 4:49 AM Jonathan Zuck<br>
<JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:<br>
><br>
> All,<br>
><br>
> I am attaching another, further revised draft public comment on the .ORG renewal, after sifting through the various recent conversations on the list. I will try to circulate a redline in the morning, New York time, but can't right now.<br>
><br>
> I thought about including something on UA, but for .ORG and in the absence of proposed language, I did not see the obvious hook in this statement to bring that concept in.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Greg<br>
><br>
> Greg Shatan<br>
> greg@isoc-ny.org<br>
> President, ISOC-NY<br>
> "The Internet is for everyone"<br>
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