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<p class="MsoNormal">Indeed. Resolving this term once and for all is worthwhile for many reasons. I think we settled on “Underserved Regions” but having an index on which to rely is even better.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 2:41 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Justine Chew <justine.chew@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CPWG <cpwg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Subsequent Procedures Update: Applicant Support Program, updated snapshot as at 31 Jul 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">Hi Justine,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">I've said my piece on this previously and won't repeat. Awkward wording in the presentation such as "wilful gaming" (to contrast, I assume, with "accidental gaming" :-P ) offers
a glimpse of what I have described this effort is up against. I maintain the effort is wasted resources, futile, and irrelevant to end users.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">One possible input for those who will soldier on: There is a question in slide 4 on "what is the Global South"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">Generally the term is a clumsy, NGO-derived euphemism for "poor countries" since nobody wants to say it that way. It's not even accurate since many qualifying countries would be
on or north of the Equator (ie, Yemen, Haiti).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">One objective measure available uses the
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index">
UNDP Human Development Index</a>, One could set the bar for the "global south" at countries in the "low development" list (#152 to 189) or, more generously, "low or medium development" (#113 to #189).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">- Evan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 22:10, Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Here is an <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/111390697/02.%20SubPro%20Applicant%20Support%20as%20at%2031.07.2019%20for%20CPWG.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1564536035350&api=v2" target="_blank">
<b>updated snapshot of where the Subsequent Procedures PDP WG is at in its deliberations on the Applicant Support Program as at 31 Jul 2019</b></a>. I understand that this is on the agenda for the CPWG call later today at 21:00 UTC. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Evan,<br>
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I am guided by the inputs the At-Large/ALAC have submitted up to the ALAC statement in response to the SubPro PDP WG's Initial Report of Sep 2018. <br>
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From what I can observe within At-Large and beyond, there is no support to abolish the Applicant Support Program altogether. What is evident, however, is the dissatisfaction of how the Program was handled in the 2012 round, as admitted by the SubPro PDP WG
Co-Chair in his email which was attached to mine. <br>
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So At-Large may choose, if it wishes, to let other groups in the community drive the Program forward with or without At-Large/ALAC's further intervention. I haven't heard anyone else say At-Large chooses not to be involved hereon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 00:40, Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">I was one of the two co-chairs of the original Applicant Support program WG in 2010 and believed strongly in it, Strong enough that we created a joint ALAC-NCSG-GAC group that
convinced the Board to introduce the concept over the objection of the domain industry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">But things have changed, dramatically, since then. Based on that experience I challenge the ongoing relevance of Applicant Support as an end-user issue worthy of attention from
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">We have the following lessons learned from the past experience and the aftermath of the last round:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif">The intended beneficiaries of the AS program are *only* TLD registry applicants -- not registrars or registrants, and certainly not end-users;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#0B5394;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif">Given the existence of ccTLDs for every country and continental TLDs for Africa, Asia and Europe, the market need to create additional new registries to serve developing economies has not been demonstrated;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#0B5394;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif">We now have a number of gTLDs targeting registrants for whom cost of domains is a barrier. Creating these low-cost-model registries did not require Applicant Support;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#0B5394;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif">The last WG agonized over making regulations tough enough to prevent exploitation by applicants that didn't need subsidy, while still making it accessible to those that did. We utterly failed at this to the extent
that NOT ONE registration for applicant support was delegated and less than five even made an attempt. Coming up with a new magic formula is simply not worth the massive effort to both develop and defend from the inevitable attack. (I vividly remember an early
meeting we had on this at ATLAS 1 in Mexico, during which one registry applicant observer in the back of the room calmly said, "no matter what you come up with we'll find a way to game it." In hindsight he was absolutely correct, the only regulations that
could prevent gaming were so tough that NOBODY could meet them. This situation has not changed since the last round; in the new discussion document the anti-gaming component remains contentious and unresolved (and IMO unresolvable);<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#0B5394;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif">Applicant Support was intended to reduce the cost of the initial ICANN fees but not the ongoing maintenance costs or ICANN per-domain fees. Even the new proposals that suggest extra support for application writing
etc do not include ongoing support beyond application. Given the emergence of unstable TLDs from the last round, any applicant viable for the long term will need to demonstrate financial stability based on the total cost of running a domain, of which the fee
reduction of Applicant Support is a fairly small proportion. There are serious and valid concerns about the stability of any TLD applicant who would not be able to apply without the Applicant Support fee reduction;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#0B5394;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif">The registrant projections for new-TLD registrations have proven to be wildly overblown, and the sustainability promises of new applicants need to be evaluated with that in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">Some of these realities were learned during the Applicant Support WG's tenure, others were revealed later as the application round unfolded. Regardless of source, we now have observable
realities that did not exist before the last round and would be ill-advised to ignore them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">I find the conclusion fairly clear. There is no market-based justification for the Applicant Support program, indeed it threatens stability by introducing registries on financially
shaky ground. As a result. any ongoing support for Applicant Support -- by ALAC or anyone else -- is solely for emotional reasons such as community pride. These may be strong incentives but at least let's go in with open eyes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 at 23:56, Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com" target="_blank">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Reference is made to an earlier email with subject "Draft Issues List for Subsequent Procedures".<br>
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I have attempted to generate a <b><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/111390697/01.%20SubPro%20Applicant%20Support%20as%20at%2026.07.2019%20for%20CPWG.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1564311734000&api=v2" target="_blank">snapshot of where
the Subsequent Procedures PDP WG is at in its deliberations on the Applicant Support Program as at 26 Jul 2019</a></b>, post its last WG call on 25 Jul 15:00 UTC. Please note that that this snapshot is not intended to reflect a complete picture as deliberations
on the same topic will continue on the next SubPro PDP WG Call of 29 Jul 20:00 UTC.<br>
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At-Large members on the SubPro PDP WG are encouraged to attend the SubPro PDP WG call of 29 Jul 20:00 UTC, to help support the ALAC/At-Large inputs on the Applicant Support Program and/or help flesh out more concrete recommendations for the Program, seeing
that this is one of the topics for which At-Large has helped to drive in respect of the new gTLD application round of 2012 and has continued to provide substantial input.<br>
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After the said SubPro PDP WG call, I will attempt to present an updated snapshot at the next CPWG call. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:9.5pt">Toronto Canada</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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