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Agree completely!!!!!!!!! <br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 7, 2019 8:56:14 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] New gTLD Applicant Support - improve it, or scrap it?</font>
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I recommend that we re-focus our policy magnifying glass towards ICANN policies as suggested by Evan in a previous email: <i style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><b>"... imploring ALAC to concentrate its comments on those issues with demonstrable
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So, I suggest that as part of the way the CPWG works today, we frame any future policy work by applying these criteria first and decide if we want to comment, refer it to other WGs or do nothing at all. </div>
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Let's talk about this during today's call.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:43 AM Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Sala, long time no talk.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 04:12, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">My challenge is whether a non-registrant end-user interest exists in this either way, and whether ALAC has credibility to pass judgement on the program at all as part of its bylaw mandate.
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<div dir="auto">Of course, the ALAC has credibility, were'nt you a part of ALAC.</div>
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Indeed I was, even Vice-Chair for a few years. That's how I got close enough to understand that there is indeed a challenge of credibility. A serious one that impairs our voice when we speak on issues that *do* effect end-users.<br>
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If we are asked "upon what do you base you assertion that end users want XXX policy?", we struggle. In reality the 15 ALAC reps are making judgment calls regarding what they think end users want, based on really little more than an educated guess. (the model
of ALAC members soliciting RALOs that then solicit their ALSs on policy issues is rarely in play.) Those who may oppose our PoV know this, and have a valid point when they challenge the basis upon which we choose our sides. Often our educated guesses are good
ones but that's still all they are, devoid of real research of what end-users want/need from ICANN.<br>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">IMO, this is an issue of interest to other ICANN constituencies but the end-user constituency has no stake in how it is resolved.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I disagree. The end user has a stake as was with the Amazon scenario etc.</div>
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Please elaborate. Exactly what stake does the end-user have?</div>
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Do you really think end-users care who owns .amazon? Upon what do you base this assertion?</div>
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When I asked around to people I knew who weren't techies or policy wonks, there was actually a general sentiment that it didn't matter, and if they had to choose .amazon should go to the book company and .amazonas should go to the governments if they really
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I suspect that if we solicited public opinion, globally more people would find it more useful if the bookstore owned the TLD. Again, what we might guess with an NGO mindset might conflict with what end-users really want. So when we stake a position and are
challenged, upon what do we base our PoV? Credibility challenge.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Of course they do</div>
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Evidence? Rationale? Please, tell me exactly why they care. Not "should they care" but "do they care". I really want to know the reasoning behind the assertion.</div>
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<div dir="auto">even if they are not aware, that is where the ALAC has to make a judgment call.</div>
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Again, what is rationale for why ALAC *must* speak up even if its constituency has no interest in the issue?<br>
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Do we speak merely for the sake of speaking?</div>
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As Olivier and Maureen and anyone else active in ALAC can attest, the credibility challenge comes from all over ICANN. I am trying to address it by imploring ALAC to concentrate its comments on those issues with demonstrable effect on end users (abuse, confusion,
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