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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I also think we should
consider that idea. <br>
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<div dir="auto">Oh I like that idea!<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 6:33 AM
Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org"
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there could be totally new advice asking ICANN to
re-delegate .ORG back to a nonprofit.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">It has
that authority.</div>
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href="https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at
17:25, John Laprise <<a
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<div dir="auto">On the advice we issued on the change in
contractual terms. It's within ALAC's remit to issue
advice on anything and this is exactly the kind of
situation that allows us to nimbly address a situation.
George Kirikos mentioned the s contingency in the list
but by that time I'm pretty sure he had established
himself as shrill and was in the process of being report
to the ombudsman. We can ask the board to examine
options here because we issued advice in good faith and
expectation of ISOC being a good Steward of .org.
selling it off to a VC firm was not something I
considered likely and had I, would not have advocated in
the way I did.<br>
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1:22 PM Alan Greenberg <<a
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On what issue John?<br>
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Alan<br>
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1:31:18 PM EST, John Laprise <<a
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dir="auto">I agree with Evan. This is an
astounding sort sighted deal by ISOC which
essentially squandered the trust of it's
membership for financial gain. Trust is the
most precious commodity of any non profit
and hard to regain once lost.<br>
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dir="auto">Furthermore, ALAC and CPWG should
urgently amend our advice on the contractual
issue to reflect new situation. I am no
longer in support on this issue.</div>
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19, 2019, 3:58 AM Evan Leibovitch <<a
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Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 09:16, Hadia
Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a
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I would certainly assume that ISOC
got a very decent amount of money
from Ethos for the deal to go
forward. At this point I would
assume that ISOC has insured its way
forward. However, what is still to
be seen is the effect on the .org
prices, hopefully going forward they
would have special prices for non
profits.</blockquote>
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Two factors come to mind in
considering the long term effects of
the sale, over and above the
financial-stability component of
which we are all aware. Consider:<br>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"
class="gmail_default">
<div>
<div>
<div
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"
class="gmail_default"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"
class="gmail_default"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"
class="gmail_default"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><b>The
substance:</b><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"
class="gmail_default"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">PIR
was more than just an ISOC
asset. The Internet Society
was custodian of the only
global <span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">top-level
domain</span> that was, by
nature and its very name,
acting in the public
interest. In a sea of<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
TLD</span><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
</span>sharks<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">,</span>
dot-org could be seen as a
body that brought both
financial stability to ISOC
and social responsibility
among the registries. It<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">s
size and </span>nonprofit <span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">status</span>
would keep costs down and
corporate direction serving
a social mission.<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
Its competitive presence
could tamp down the
excesses of the industry.</span></span><br>
<span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"></span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">And
now that's gone. More
important than the divestment
of PIR is its change from
nonprofit to Just Another
Shareholder-Value-Maximizing
part of the domain ecosystem,
its uniqueness vanished in a<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">n</span>
instant. In the aim of
maximizing its own revenue
ISOC has
<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
eliminated from</span> the <span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
the Internet the only
publicly-accessible </span>nonprofit
<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
g</span><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">TLD</span>.
<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
</span>Gone is th<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">is</span>
<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
substantial </span>voice of
public-interest sanity within
the registry community,
replaced by an entity barely
more ethically motivated than
Donuts. As a dot-org
<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
"</span>owner<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">"</span>,
this hurts personally. But as
someone trying to advance
Internet domains as a
component of progress, this
hurts on a global scale.</span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Stewardship
of</span> a
socially-motivated registry
was one of ISOC's
<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
core</span> global functions
IMO<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"></span>. With
that gone<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">,</span>
<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
so is </span>part of ISOC's
value.<br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><b><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></span></b></div>
<div><b><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The
process:</span></span></b></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"></span>The
path that led to the
<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
divestment of PIR</span>,
both before and after<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
the decision had been made</span>,
has laid bare a core ISOC
culture that is the opposite
of the openness it asks the
world to embrace.<span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
At a level of fiscal
responsibility, ISOC's
action was exactly what one
would expect any for-profit
entity to do. Maximize
benefit through a secretive
process that catches
everyone unaware -- not just
of the transaction but of
the urgency to do it,<br>
<br>
</span></span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Except
ISOC is not a for-profit
entity. It displays itself
to the world as a community
body that encourages
involvement at a personal,
regional, institutional or
national scale. It has
carefully crafted and
evolved a Chapters Advisory
Council explicitly designed
to provide management with
the view from the
grassroots, alongside a
parallel Council for
corporate participants.</span><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
This was combined with
global virtual events such
as InterCommunity that were
created to give ISOC a
global awareness of what was
needed to promote a
more-open Internet. And it
has always had an
individual-membership
program, which isn't really
talked about these days as
these "members" have neither
any costs nor any benefits.<br>
<br>
</span></span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">None
of these mechanisms were
employed, none of these
entities consulted, before
or after the decision, even
under NDA. The community
wasn't even aware that PIR
was being shopped around. As
a result, there was no open
solicitation, no
publicly-competitive
process, no opportunity for
any other firm to make a
counter-offer that might
keep PIR nonprofit. We'll
never know. Or maybe it
wasn't shopped around and
someone just made ISOC an
offer it couldn't refuse.</span><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
But ISOC isn't Jack Woltz.
The community had no idea of
any sense of urgency to sell
PIR, and certainly was never
consulted about the ethics
or consequences of turning
PIR for-profit.</span><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
The common nonprofit
practice of having major
decisions ratified by
stakeholders at an AGM is
also nowhere in sight.</span><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
<br>
</span></span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">So
now we know the reality of
ISOC's corporate culture.
Promote openness and
consultation when
convenient, but be opaque
when it matters.</span></span></div>
<span style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I
don't know if ISOC considers
me a stakeholder, or for that
matter anyone else on this
list, any Chapter or any
Organization Member. In fact
right now I have no idea who
ISOC considers its
stakeholders to be; it
certainly didn't consult any
before the fact or ask for any
blessings afterwards. Not even
informally. So who shows up at
the AGM? Just the Trustees?<br>
</span></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">In
any case, the deal is
essentially done. ISOC clearly
appears to have assured its
financial stability, which is
certainly a Good Thing. But
with a crown jewel of the
Internet fading away and the
shallowness of its commitment
to openness and community
exposed in the process, it is
legitimate to ask whether ISOC
has sold more than a registry.</span></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">We
won't know the answer to that
for a while</span></span><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">
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