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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I agree with all the
points that Roberto has made, that there is a serious breach of
trust issue here. It is certainly up to ISOC chapters to hold
the ISOC board to account. But is there any role for AtLarge at
this level? Join the protest, sign on to the petition? I am not
sure that is where we fit in -- but I am happy to be convinced
otherwise. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">What can we ask of
ICANN though? We certainly should ask if there were any
indications of this sale before or during the discussion re:
removing price caps is one thing we can ask. That needs to be
clarified. It feels a bit like a sucker punch......... did it
come straight out of the blue, or did some people see it coming?
If anyone did, what obligations did those people have to inform
the community? According to a just established PIR website re:
this sale (</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><a
href="https://www.keypointsabout.org/">https://www.keypointsabout.org/</a>),
there were no activities that led to the sale before the lifting
of the price caps. They maintain there was no connection. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The bigger question is
what can be done about it, or, more specifically, what should we
be asking to be done about it? We could just indicate our
displeasure, but that isn't helpful in the end. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">What are the possible
remedies. Can ICANN revisit/adjust the price cap lift without
facing a major lawsuit? Can ICANN demand that ISOC/PIR reopen
the bidding so a non-profit organization could be chosen as new
owner? Can ICANN place restrictions on the .org contracts (don't
ask me what that could consist of) that would mitigate the
possibility for exploitation at the hands of a venture capital
firm?</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> I have been reading
tons and tons of e-mails on this issue, but I don't see a lot of
answers to the question about what actual/possible remedies
might be available here.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/24/2019 1:23 AM, Maureen Hilyard
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<div dir="ltr">Sebastian
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<div>I see the reason for ISOC's selling as an issue relating to
their <u>breach of trust</u> and the subsequent loss of
everyone's trust and confidence in ISOC and the ISOC
principles PIR were tasked to uphold on behalf of
"non-commercial, NGO and nonprofit community" As end-users I
see Trust as the basis on which to argue further issues</div>
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<div>My 2c</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 7:33
PM Sebastien Bachollet <<a
href="mailto:sebicann@bachollet.fr" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sebicann@bachollet.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks Roberto
<div>After reading your brainstorming paper, I can confirm
my position.</div>
<div>We have to question not who is the buyer but why and
how the seller is selling .org?</div>
<div>SeB <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sébastien Bachollet
<div>Envoyé de mon iPhone</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Le 23 nov. 2019 à 23:45, Roberto
Gaetano <<a
href="mailto:mail.roberto.gaetano@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mail.roberto.gaetano@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="auto">I was thinking of starting jotting
down some ideas about what are the things that we
should consider about the transfer of control of
.org - other than the fear about the price raise
that we have already abundantly discussed.
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<div>I believe that it is essentially a matter of
trust.</div>
<div>A year ago, day more, day less, ISOC had issue
a call for candidatures for PIR Board members -
myself and two other Directors were ending our
term in 2019 and needed to be replaced. The
selection process was supervised by ISOC Board of
Trustees - or a committee thereof. That was
guaranteeing alignment of the PIR Board with ISOC
values. Who will select the two PIR Directors that
will replace the ones ending their terms? What
will be the requested profile? When ISOC was
selecting, the requested profiles were public, as
the call for candidatures. If the process is meant
to follow a similar path it should be starting
now.</div>
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<div>This is important for two reasons: first
because of the transparency of the selection of
Directors who will supervise the “<b>Public
Interest</b>” Registry - but also because the
process was run by an organization that was
trusted by the community. Anybody here trusting
the investment fund that is taking over?</div>
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<div>I remember that when I was chairing the PIR
Board we had regular meetings with ISOC’s Board of
Trustees. That was ensuring that the technical
decisions taken by PIR were aligned with ISOC’s
principles. This is now gone. PIR Board will, at
the most, meet with the investors to make sure
that the profits are maximized.</div>
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<div>PIR has taken over the years positions against
some of the unethical or dangerous practices that
had as sole purpose to squeeze more money from the
market without looking at the unintended negative
effects, like for instance the wildcard - see as a
reference the CircleID article at <a
href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/pir_opposes_sitefinder_will_not_implement_similar_service_for_org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.circleid.com/posts/pir_opposes_sitefinder_will_not_implement_similar_service_for_org</a>.
PIR also curbed the so-called "domain tasting” by
charging Registrars who were practicing it. But
besides fighting against unethical practices, PIR
has also positively supported good practices, like
for instance DNSSEC - PIR was the first gTLD to
sign the zone, see <a
href="https://www.securityweek.com/dnssec-becomes-reality-today-icann-brussels"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.securityweek.com/dnssec-becomes-reality-today-icann-brussels</a>.
It should be reminded that implementation of
DNSSEC was not bringing additional income, just
additional work. I have been in the Board of PIR
for 6 years, 2+ of them as Chair, and I
acknowledge that I might be biased, but those
above are facts, not opinions. Will PIR under the
new regime be allowed to take the same stance in
defence of “doing the right thing” according to
its ethics, or will it be forced to “do the thing
that brings a better return on investment”? You
can guess my answer, but what is yours?</div>
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<div>Let me stress it again, it is not about the
fees, it is about having or not a champion that
will stand up for “doing the right thing” in a
market that is dominated by greed. Without a .org
run in the public interest, even with sometimes
some mistakes, but always with good intentions and
with the ability to change decisions when the
Internet users told us we were wrong (remember the
SCADR issue?), the Internet will be a different
place. And this is what is, IMHO, the real
problem.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Roberto</div>
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