<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I am a bit worried about proposals like denying renewal to registrations that do not pass the litmus test of virginity. Even before PIR took over .org there was no strict requirement about being no-profit. Of course, this could be enforced now for new registrations, but to deny renewal would be most unfair.</div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">One of the points we raise constantly in connection with the price raise is that registrants are locked in, and will have huge switching costs. The same will apply for a commercial registrant who has registered a domain name with .org maybe because the name he/she wanted was already taken in .com, or maybe for a much simpler reason, that she/he trusted PIR more than Verisign considering the record of good practices. If PIR denies renewal to a person like this, it will instantly lose the reputation earned with years of good behaviour. We might have a “pure” non-commercial domain space, but one that few would trust enough to be willing to be part of it.</div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Roberto</div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 24.11.2019, at 18:54, Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" class="">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">For sure. That said, my guess is that even a liberal interpretation of "non-profit" would be far more conservative than the status quo. We could identify the jurisdictions that actually have that distinction and suggest that renewals won't be granted to those who are not recognized in one of those jurisdiction. That new registrations are granted only to those who are. That the secondary market is capped at cost recovery. I mean, there's only so much we can do with a tiny piece of the work of a non-profit but these things might be possible.</div><div id="appendonsend" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline-block; width: 350.828125px;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bill Jouris <<a href="mailto:b_jouris@yahoo.com" class="">b_jouris@yahoo.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, November 24, 2019 12:43 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" class="">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>>; Roberto Gaetano <<a href="mailto:mail.roberto.gaetano@gmail.com" class="">mail.roberto.gaetano@gmail.com</a>>; CPWG <<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" class="">cpwg@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Brainstorming</font><div class=""> </div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div id="x_yMail_cursorElementTracker_1574617288372" class="">The challenge would be to come up with an objective, and readily applied, method to determine who qualifies as "for profit" and who does not. Sure there are lots of crystal clear cases; the challenge is sorting out the borderline ones. </div><div id="x_yMail_cursorElementTracker_1574617409984" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="x_yMail_cursorElementTracker_1574617410139" class="">Bill Jouris </div><br id="x_yMail_cursorElementTracker_1574617283129" class=""><br class=""><div id="x_ymail_android_signature" class=""><a id="x_ymail_android_signature_link" href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature" class="">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div><br class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 20px;" class=""><div style="font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; color: rgb(109, 0, 246);" class=""><div class="">On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:47 AM, Jonathan Zuck</div><div class=""><<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" class="">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>> wrote:</div></div><div style="padding: 10px 0px 0px 20px; margin: 10px 0px 0px; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(109, 0, 246);" class="">_______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="">CPWG mailing list<br clear="none" class=""><a shape="rect" href="mailto:CPWG@icann.org" class="">CPWG@icann.org</a><br clear="none" class=""><a shape="rect" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg" target="_blank" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg</a><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">_______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="">By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a shape="rect" href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" target="_blank" class="">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a shape="rect" href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" target="_blank" class="">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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