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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">By their logic then a LOT of ccTLDs would be offline a LOT of the time
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In reality, apart from one or two outliers, that is NOT what is happening.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’d question why they’re sending this and what their endgame is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A lot of the stuff being spewed around the .org sale is hyperbolic or completely self-serving. In this case I just can’t see who stands to benefit from it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 18 December 2019 at 15:24<br>
<b>To: </b>"judith@jhellerstein.com" <judith@jhellerstein.com>, "cpwg@icann.org" <cpwg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CPWG] Fwd: Packet Clearing House warns .ORG websites to suffer downtime under Ethos Capital management<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Judith -- The downtime part might be speculative, but this letter does present some actual financial information on what it costs to run the system and the fact that a private company will not have access
to the same stream of funds (through donations, tax deductions, etc.) that a non-profit has. In the absence of clarity and transparency, I find this letter and the information in it to be of high value. PCH has a 15 year track record with .org -- they have
something important to say. If we enter into this debate, it must be on the strength of having weighed all the information available.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Marita</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/18/2019 9:59 AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>HI Marita,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I read this. It is all speculative. We just do not know. I think these letters do more harm than good. We just do not know the answers. How do we know that Ethos will not run PIR the same way it was run before. They may continue giving PIR the leeway
to do exactly as they have been doing. We just do not know<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Judith<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/18/2019 9:37 AM, Marita Moll wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Some new information from the financial/operational side to be aware
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<p class="MsoNormal">In this letter to ICANN's General Counsel, the Packet Clearing House warns that under Ethos Capital's management of PIR, "the decreased operational spending necessary for any commercial purchaser to break even would result in an increase
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