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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Sorry Roberto. It was
not meant disparagingly. I really like how you have framed it
here -- about the foundation of our concerns which should
revolve around the importance of protecting the public interest
and concerns of the non-profit community in a historic deal that
could spin in the other direction. We cannot rely on promises
made where there are no consequences for breaking them . Ethos
has said they would apply to become a "sort of" public benefit
corp. but apparently that doesn't provide much comfort. I am not
up on corp. law in the U.S. but there is apparently another
option -- a real public benefit corp that would hold them to
real outcomes (I am getting this info off another list -- so a
bit fuzzy). Is that one avenue we could explore as a response
not to ICANN but to the situation in general in a letter to
PIR/ISOC.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2020 5:24 PM, Roberto Gaetano
wrote:<br>
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Just for the sake of clarity, I have never said that we should
only ask for a seat on the Board, I was only adding this item to
what I have stated in my earlier messages.
<div class="">I agree with you that the key question is to keep
the voice of the users heard loud and clear, and to keep the
public interest on top of the priorities for the “new” PIR.</div>
<div class="">Incidentally, if we fail to make the point about the
prominent place of the public interest and the non-profit
community, we will even fail to have an argument for practical
changes, like the Board seat.</div>
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<div class="">Cheers,</div>
<div class="">Roberto</div>
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<div class="">On 08.01.2020, at 22:50, Marita Moll <<a
href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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serif">I am afraid I am starting to feel this way as
well. The end user voice that we are here to provide
is becoming a glaring absence. And we need to do
more than ask for a seat on the PIR board. We should
be joining our voice to others asking why and how
the public interest aspect of this corner of the
ecosystem can be so easily abandoned.
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serif">Marita </font><br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2020 4:33 AM,
Vittorio Bertola via CPWG wrote:<br class="">
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<p class="">Il 2020-01-07 22:22 <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
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lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a> ha scritto:</p>
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FYI
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<div class=""><a
href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_activate_icann_at_large/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">Hilyard Has a
Historic Chance to Activate ICANN At-Large</a></div>
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<div class="">The main reason why almost 20 years
ago we fought to create the ALAC and preserve some
form of user representation in ICANN after the
cancellation of the original At Large election
mechanism was exactly to guarantee a voice for the
global public interest of billions of Internet
users, against possible capture or failure of
ICANN's industry self-regulation model. I have
rarely seen a case in which that global interest
is so clear, so uniformly shared across the
community and so loudly voiced. IMHO, failing to
act in this case would easily become evidence in
favour of those who challenge ALAC's usefulness
and ability to fulfill its mission.</div>
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vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a]
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http://bertola.eu/</a> <--------</span></div>
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