<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Greg,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">How is denigrating other's comments a useful contribution to the discussion?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Bill Woodcock has decades of expertise in running DNS infrastructure. As I recall his letter, his group provides around $30 million in infrastructure support at no cost to ensure that .org is stable. That contribution can only be made to a nonprofit organization, not to a for-profit organization. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The analysis Bill provided is that if Ethos Capital has to pay for that infrastructure itself, it more or less guarantees that its purchase of PIR will be unprofitable. This raises the highly relevant question of whether .org would be as stable under Ethos Capital as it has been under ISOC.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Your calling the analysis "bizarre" does not make it so.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Similarly, Milton Mueller's trashing of others' reputations likely reflects more poorly on him than it does on them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Nat</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:58 PM Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The "White Knight" looks more like a "Dark Prince":</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.internetgovernance.org/2020/01/08/new-org-stewards-or-vultures-circling/" target="_blank">https://www.internetgovernance.org/2020/01/08/new-org-stewards-or-vultures-circling/</a> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Among many other things, the fact that Bill Woodcock is in this group might explain the bizarre "analysis" that PCH circulated a few weeks ago...<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Greg Shatan</font><div><a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">greg@isoc-ny.org</font></a></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">President, ISOC-NY</font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><i>"The Internet is for everyone"</i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:24 PM Vittorio Bertola via CPWG <<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" target="_blank">cpwg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p>Il 2020-01-09 01:18 Greg Shatan ha scritto:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">My understanding is that the cooperative intends to continue funding IETF, which is one of ISOC's primary missions.<br><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><em>Weird. That underscores the concern that this is as much about burying ISOC as it is about rescuing .ORG. I'd be very interested to see what they propose. Right now, that would mean funding ISOC, since IETF is an unincorporated activity of ISOC. Do they propose to both starve ISOC and dismantle it?</em></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Well, the IETF is actually incorporated as IETF LLC, even if it's true that it is currently 100% owned by ISOC ( <a href="https://ietf.org/about/administration/background/" target="_blank">https://ietf.org/about/administration/background/</a> ). Perhaps ISOC would be interested in selling the IETF as well? Though I don't think they can make a billion dollars out of it.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Anyway, just a historical note: when ISOC was awarded .org, "ensuring the money to run the IETF" was the #1 justification that was given for the deal in the corridors. Of course ISOC was chosen after a lengthy bidding process; still everyone in the ICANN community understood that picking them was necessary to keep the Internet running - if not for that, we could have heard much stronger complaints at that time already. I've not been meeting Esther for over a decade now, so I have no idea of her motivations, but I suppose she is just trying to preserve the original deal: the .org extra revenue, after running costs are covered, is meant to pay for the practical cost of the vital community efforts that keep the Internet running, not for some venture capitalist's yacht in the Bahamas.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">More generally, this is also a cultural issue; perhaps in the United States this might be seen as normal, but in other parts of the world (and dot org is used globally) it is just unfair to make significant profit over a basic community resource, no matter how well the resource is run. This explains why so many people find it just right that dot org should only ever be assigned to a non-profit entity.</div>
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<div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:monospace"><span>-- <br> vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] <a href="http://bertola.eu" target="_blank">bertola.eu</a> <--------<br> --------> now blogging & more at <a href="http://bertola.eu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bertola.eu/</a> <--------</span></div>
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