<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">There's no plan for making money out of a TLD with 10 million registrations that can be applied equally to domains with less than 4,000 registrations. </span> <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Greg Shatan</font><div><a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">greg@isoc-ny.org</font></a></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">President, ISOC-NY</font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><i>"The Internet is for everyone"</i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:57 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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.NGO & .ONG have insignificant numbers of registrations compared
to .ORG<br>
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<span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">TLDs </span><span style="font-size:16.6667px;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
1.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.org</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
2 </span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.
ngo <br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">3 . </span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">. ong <br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">4.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.xn--clavg</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
5.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.xn--ilb6bla6a2e<br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">6.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.xn--nqv7f<br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">7.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.xn-nqv7fs00ema<br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">DUMs
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</span><span style="font-size:16.6667px;font-family:sans-serif">1.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.org- </span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">10M</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
2 . </span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.ngo -</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">3,800 <br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">3.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">. ong-</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">3,800<br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">4.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.xn--clavg </span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">- 1,100<br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">5.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.xn--nqv7f </span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">- 235<br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">6.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.xn--ilb6bla6a2e
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">- 78<br>
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">7.</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">.xn-nqv7fs00ema
</span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif">- N/
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Source:
<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pir-isoc-ethos-capital-10jan20-en.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pir-isoc-ethos-capital-10jan20-en.pdf</a><br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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P.S. Also see:
<a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200113_a_stronger_pir_and_dot_org_standing_behind_our_commitments/" target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200113_a_stronger_pir_and_dot_org_standing_behind_our_commitments/</a></span><span style="font-size:17.5px;font-family:sans-serif"></span><br>
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<div>On 13/01/2020 18:01, Bill Jouris via
CPWG wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Perhaps we could go the
opposite direction. Have PIR keep .NGO and .ONG while
divesting .ORG to a non-profit? If they have a plan for
making money out of .ORG, they ought to be able to apply it
equally to the other TLDs. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Just a thought.</div>
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<div> On Monday, January 13, 2020, 07:34:24 AM PST, Roberto
Gaetano <a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a> wrote: </div>
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Be aware that as of today the operation of .NGO/.ONG is
not a profitable business. Very few registrars sell
them, mostly because of the added complication of the
validation step (the registrant is required to be a
proper NGO), the bundle (the registration in either .NGO
or .ONG will automatically allocate also the other one)
and the high price (it is high to cover the additional
costs for the items above). On top of that, a minimum
fee has to be paid to ICANN regardless whether domain
names are sold or not.
<div>I am not aware of any changes
in PIR to address this problem, so it is fairly likely
that a new owner of .NGO/.ONG will be in bad shape,
because it will not have the profitable .ORG to
support the losing business, nor will it have any
power to exert onto the backend provider to force them
to support a TLD that has very specific additional
requirements.</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
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16:12, Evan Leibovitch <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I floated this
exact idea on another mailing list Dec
11....</div>
<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">that as a
condition of acquiring .ORG. Ethos
divested of .NGO/.ONG to a community body,
and then provided a fund to assist the
brand-altering costs of any nonprofits
that wanted to move. In the forum it was
presented, it was flat out rejected as a
half measure when the objective was to
stop the sale --- so I never pursued it
further. In fact, since .NGO already has a
vetting process in place (which could be
modified in order to scale) it could more
reliably be a genuine no-freeloader place
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 10:00,
Jonathan Zuck <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" target="_blank">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>>
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<div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-align:left">Working
on an outline for a response from us
on this whole ORG thing and had a
crazy idea. What if we suggest that
PIR be asked to divest itself of NGO
and award that to the new nonprofit.
Right now PIR have a kind of monopoly
on the field with those two as well as
FOUNDATION. </div>
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<div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-align:left">We've
had a lot of discussion about making
sure there is a public interest driven
registry and a safe place for the
nonprofit community. NGO already has a
lot of those requirements in place and
could be relaunched with a more
specific set of commitments in the
contract. We could even figure out how
to minimize the NGO presence in the
secondary market. </div>
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<div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-align:left">PIR
having NGO as a competitor might help
keep them in line as well. </div>
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<div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-align:left">Thoughts? </div>
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