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Understood. Those feel like solvable problems<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CPWG] . NGO</font>
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space">Be aware that as of today the operation of .NGO/.ONG is not a profitable business. Very few registrars sell them, mostly because of the added complication of the validation step (the registrant
is required to be a proper NGO), the bundle (the registration in either .NGO or .ONG will automatically allocate also the other one) and the high price (it is high to cover the additional costs for the items above). On top of that, a minimum fee has to be
paid to ICANN regardless whether domain names are sold or not.
<div class="">I am not aware of any changes in PIR to address this problem, so it is fairly likely that a new owner of .NGO/.ONG will be in bad shape, because it will not have the profitable .ORG to support the losing business, nor will it have any power to
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that as a condition of acquiring .ORG. Ethos divested of .NGO/.ONG to a community body, and then provided a fund to assist the brand-altering costs of any nonprofits that wanted to move. In the forum it was presented, it was flat out rejected as a half measure
when the objective was to stop the sale --- so I never pursued it further. In fact, since .NGO already has a vetting process in place (which could be modified in order to scale) it could more reliably be a genuine no-freeloader place for nonprofits.<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" class="">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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Working on an outline for a response from us on this whole ORG thing and had a crazy idea. What if we suggest that PIR be asked to divest itself of NGO and award that to the new nonprofit. Right now PIR have a kind of monopoly on the field with those two as
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We've had a lot of discussion about making sure there is a public interest driven registry and a safe place for the nonprofit community. NGO already has a lot of those requirements in place and could be relaunched with a more specific set of commitments in
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PIR having NGO as a competitor might help keep them in line as well. </div>
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