<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Greg, <div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I suggest we need a balance. We can't be totally zeroed in on the Ethos Capital deal, but neither can we be transaction-agnostic. There are things to say about this particular transaction and things to say about the bigger picture. We need to address both, albeit with a largely forward-looking focus (i.e., what should be done)."</span></div><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Agreed.</font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Cheers!</font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">David</font></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:30 AM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">More information in
yesterday's <i>Register </i>article describes it as a 30-year
debt. <br>
</font></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arimo,Arial,FreeSans,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">"The few
details that have emerged are a further cause of concern. The
$1.135bn purchase is 32 per cent funded by debt; $360m has been
raised from unnamed US financial institutions. PIR – the
operator of the registry – “has sufficient operational cash flow
to service the loan,” the documents claims, noting it is half
what PIR has paid to ISOC each year. In other words, debt
repayments will be approximately $15m a year, which points to
30-year loans."</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arimo,Arial,FreeSans,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"><a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/01/14/icann_org_redacted/" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/01/14/icann_org_redacted/</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arimo,Arial,FreeSans,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">Marita<br>
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<div>On 1/14/2020 4:56 AM, Holly Raiche
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
Agree
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I share your concerns about the assumption by by PIR
of so much debt. It will make it that much harder for them to
have a public interest focus with the burden of debt they are
assuming. It will certainly make any insistence on a public
interest focus that much harder - even if we insist on
commitments by Ethos for such focus.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Holly<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On Jan 14, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I suggest we
need a balance. We can't be totally zeroed in on the
Ethos Capital deal, but neither can we be
transaction-agnostic. There are things to say about
this particular transaction and things to say about
the bigger picture. We need to address both, albeit
with a largely forward-looking focus (i.e., what
should be done).</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Greg
Shatan</font>
<div><a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank"><font face="trebuchet ms,
sans-serif">greg@isoc-ny.org</font></a></div>
<div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">President,
ISOC-NY</font></div>
<div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><i>"The Internet is for
everyone"</i></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 13, 2020
at 3:11 AM Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Agree with Marita that it is better
to keep our response owner neutral. Let our
recommendations focus on the interest of the
current registrants, the public interest
aspect and the trust that the end users need.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hadia
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> CPWG [mailto:<a href="mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cpwg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 13, 2020
8:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marita Moll<br>
<b>Cc:</b> CPWG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CPWG] Fwd: Re:
Reuters reports new cooperative formed to take
over management of .ORG</span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Based on my experience,
this is how all private equity deals are
financed. Since this is business as usual,
I would not read much into it re:
uncertainty. It has nothing to do with
“shortfalls,” as Kevin Murphy surmised. In
the go-go years, it was not uncommon to see
up to 80% financing, but banks are much more
conservative now.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The thing that concerns me
is that they are going to saddle PIR with the
$360 million of debt. This is also not
uncommon in PE deals, but this concept of
“pushing down the debt” is one of the more
toxic aspects of PE deals. I assume PIR is
debt-free now. Going from debt-free to owing
more than 1/3 of a billion dollars is not a
step in the right direction for any company.
For a company that is allegedly going to
embrace a public benefit approach, it is
teeth-grindingly dissonant.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The more this sounds like a
“typical” PE deal, the more suspicious I get
that there will be anything special about
this PE firm or Post-Acquisition PIR. Instead
it sounds like business as usual. That is not
what is called for here.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Greg</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at
6:23 PM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p>Well, this information shows
that the financing of this deal is not
necessarily in the bag -- given that is
mostly leveraged. These sorts of things
can fall through. So our response has to
be owner-neutral -- setting conditions
for any new owner - IMHO</p>
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<div>
<p> </p>
<p>Marita</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/12/2020 5:05
PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Marita</p>
</div>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And still lots
more rumours and other information
to come, no doubt.
</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think we
should keep ourselves focused on
what we have set out to do - to
produce some constructive and
forward thinking advice to the
Board, along the lines that
Ethos is the new owner and what
we might suggest to ICANN (and
PIR) about preserving the
interests of current and future
.org registrants through the
contractual processes and other
recommendations.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise we
will be stuck in the same hole
forever, as more information is
thrown in.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Maureen</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, 12 Jan
2020, 9:18 AM Marita Moll, <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p>More information on
the Ethos PIR takeover revealed
in response to ICANN questions.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marita<br>
<br>
-------- Forwarded Message
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<p class="MsoNormal">Re:
Reuters reports new
cooperative formed to
take over management
of .ORG</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right" align="right"><b>Date: </b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sun,
12 Jan 2020 16:56:05
+0000</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right" align="right"><b>From: </b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0in">
<p class="MsoNormal">Wisdom
Donkor <a href="mailto:wisdom.dk@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">
<wisdom.dk@GMAIL.COM></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wisdom
Donkor <a href="mailto:wisdom.dk@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">
<wisdom.dk@GMAIL.COM></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right" align="right"><b>To: </b></p>
</td>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">DomainIncite
has provided a summary of
these documents:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://domainincite.com/25176-25176" target="_blank">http://domainincite.com/25176-25176</a><br>
<br>
"here are the headlines:<br>
<br>
* The deal is being partly
funded by an enormous
loan.<br>
* Technically, Ethos isn’t
the direct buyer. There
are at least three
corporate entities
involved in the
acquisition that we
haven’t heard of before.<br>
* Ethos won’t reveal the
names of the directors of
PIR’s would-be owner.<br>
* Another former senior
ICANN staffer and
long-time Fadi Chehadé
collaborator has been
revealed as having an
interest in the
acquisition."
</p>
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Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at
10:28 AM Wisdom Donkor
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<p class="MsoNormal">In
this <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar" title="https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar" target="_blank">7
January 2020
article</a> we
learn that, "<i>prominent
internet
executives told
Reuters they have
created a
nonprofit
cooperative they
are offering as an
alternative owner
of .org.</i>"</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This
would appear to me
to pose an
existential threat
to ISOC, as this
nonprofit
cooperative - whose
membership appears
to me to have more
political muscle
than ISOC has - is
not proposing to buy
PIR from ISOC, but
to instead have the
.ORG Registry
Agreement assigned
to it by ICANN.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The
full article is
here, and I have
extracted some
relevant quotes
below: <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar" target="_blank">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>“What
offended me about
the Ethos Capital
deal and the way
it unfolded is
that it seems to
have completely
betrayed this
concept of
stewardship,” said
Andrew McLaughlin,
who oversaw the
transfer of
internet
governance from
the U.S. Commerce
Department to
ICANN, completed
in 2016.</i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Maher and
others said the
idea of the new
cooperative is not
to offer a
competing
financial bid for
.org, which brings
in roughly $100
million in revenue
from domain sales.
Instead, they hope
that the unusual
new entity,
formally a
California
Consumer
Cooperative
Corporation, can
manage the domain
for security and
stability and make
sure it does not
become a tool for
censorship.</i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>... The
initial seven
directors of the
cooperative
include former
founding ICANN
President Michael
Roberts, MacArthur
Foundation
philanthropist
Jeff Ubois and
Bill Woodcock,
whose Packet
Clearing House now
runs the technical
aspects of the
.org system under
contract.</i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>The new
group has briefed
members of the
U.S. Congress and
hopes to prompt
the Internet
Society to
reconsider the
sale. But its best
shot at stopping
the pending sale
lies with ICANN,
which can veto any
change in
ownership out of
concern for the
security,
reliability or
stability of the
.org domain.</i></p>
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