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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 14 January 2020 at 04:31<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CPWG] . NGO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#212121">I don't understand. The point is not to have another wealthy non profit but to have an alternative to ORG, run by a nonprofit. The current numbers aren't relevant. The fact that they
are currently expensive can also be remedied. I'm not suggesting this INSTEAD of revisions to the ORG agreement but in addition to to them. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CPWG] . NGO</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:57 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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1.</span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">.org<br>
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2 . .ngo -3,800 <br>
3.. ong-3,800<br>
4..xn--clavg - 1,100<br>
5..xn--nqv7f - 235<br>
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Source: <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pir-isoc-ethos-capital-10jan20-en.pdf" target="_blank">
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P.S. Also see: <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200113_a_stronger_pir_and_dot_org_standing_behind_our_commitments/" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Perhaps we could go the opposite direction. Have PIR keep .NGO and .ONG while divesting .ORG to a non-profit? If they have a plan for making money out of .ORG, they ought to
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validation step (the registrant is required to be a proper NGO), the bundle (the registration in either .NGO or .ONG will automatically allocate also the other one) and the high price (it is high to cover the additional costs for the items above). On top of
that, a minimum fee has to be paid to ICANN regardless whether domain names are sold or not.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">On 13.01.2020, at 16:12, Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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that wanted to move. In the forum it was presented, it was flat out rejected as a half measure when the objective was to stop the sale --- so I never pursued it further. In fact, since .NGO already has a vetting process in place (which could be modified in
order to scale) it could more reliably be a genuine no-freeloader place for nonprofits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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itself of NGO and award that to the new nonprofit. Right now PIR have a kind of monopoly on the field with those two as well as FOUNDATION. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#212121">We've had a lot of discussion about making sure there is a public interest driven registry and a safe place for the nonprofit community.
NGO already has a lot of those requirements in place and could be relaunched with a more specific set of commitments in the contract. We could even figure out how to minimize the NGO presence in the secondary market. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#212121">PIR having NGO as a competitor might help keep them in line as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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