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<div class="">Sometimes we need ladies to tell us that smoothing out the male confrontational attitude might get better results 😜</div>
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<div class="">On 23.01.2020, at 19:25, Jacqueline Morris <<a href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com" class="">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Jan 2020, 4:31 pm Bill Jouris via CPWG, <<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" class="">cpwg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">As David says, wording is important. Let me suggest the following: </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">ICANN makes no objection to the transfer of control of PIR,
<i class="">once alternative arrangements are in place for the administration of the .org TLD</i>. PIR is ISOC's property, and they can dispose of it as they wish. But administration of .org is not an asset available for sale to novel organizations. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I think that makes the necessary distinction between what is ICANN's interest and what is not. (Granted, PIR may have minimal value without the authority to administer .org. That, however, is not our concern.) </div>
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<div class="">On Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 12:22:46 PM PST, David Mackey <<a href="mailto:mackey361@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">mackey361@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div class="">Fair enough. Wording is important at this point. </div>
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<div class="">For the best wording, it might be a good idea to refer to the <a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-to-pir-17jan20-en.pdf" target="_blank" class="">
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<div class="">I believe the wording is "<span style="" class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="background-color:inherit" class="">ICANN's request for additional information will not extend the 17 February 2020 deadline for ICANN to provide or withhold
consent to PIR’s proposed change of control."</font></span></div>
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<div class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">If you accept the wording from that document, then the specific question for consensus in our group is ...</font></div>
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<div class=""><span style="" class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="background-color:inherit" class="">Can we find out how many people in our group favour that "ICANN should withhold consent to </font></span><font face="arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="" class="">PIR’s
proposed change of control"</span><span style="" class="">?</span></font></div>
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Stopping the sale is not my position, and is not wording that I think should be used. PIR is ISOC’s property, and they’re free to sell PIR to anyone they choose, for any terms they choose.<br clear="none" class="">
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What’s of interest is the delegation of the .ORG domain. It was delegated to ISOC under specific conditions, which ISOC unarguably no longer meets, and it was not delegated permanently, it was delegated subject to periodic review. They’ve triggered that review
by their own action. A clear and well-established process and precedent exists, and was exercised on .ORG in 2002. My position is that ICANN should issue an open call for proposals for the delegation of .ORG, as in 2002, use the established multistakeholder
process to review the 2002 criteria and approve them for re-use, or modify them as the community deems suitable given the long-term failure of the last selection, and use the established multistakeholder process to evaluate the proposals relative to the criteria,
selecting the best one, and being very, very clear that it’s not property, and not subject to transfer outside of the open, competitive multistakeholder process.<br clear="none" class="">
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This process is the process. There’s no question about that. It’s the only process that ICANN has ever used for .ORG. There was never a notion that it would only ever be applied once. The time has simply come to execute the established process again.<br clear="none" class="">
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