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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have not responded to any messages from this group in the past but this issue is one that impacts my direct client base.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am a consultant to mid/large charities and NGOs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Most have little understanding of the domain structure but all need an affordable and reliable domain name.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Any cost or management obstacles could affect small charities and NGOs from ever growing or existing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Any price increases that would be significant could stifle the growth of a cause or initiative.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>To that; if I have any vote, it is to oppose the transfer.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bruce Baughman<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brucebaughman">in/brucebaughman</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacqueline Morris<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2020 1:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc:</b> CPWG <cpwg@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CPWG] PIR/Ethos<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Rather than "alternative", why not "acceptable"?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jacqueline<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, 22 Jan 2020, 4:31 pm Bill Jouris via CPWG, <<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org">cpwg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>As David says, wording is important. Let me suggest the following: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>ICANN makes no objection to the transfer of control of PIR, <i>once alternative arrangements are in place for the administration of the .org TLD</i>. PIR is ISOC's property, and they can dispose of it as they wish. But administration of .org is not an asset available for sale to novel organizations. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I think that makes the necessary distinction between what is ICANN's interest and what is not. (Granted, PIR may have minimal value without the authority to administer .org. That, however, is not our concern.) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Bill Jouris<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_6494946878323340072yahoo_quoted_0391033205"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 12:22:46 PM PST, David Mackey <<a href="mailto:mackey361@gmail.com" target="_blank">mackey361@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="m_6494946878323340072yiv7738021048"><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Bill, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Fair enough. Wording is important at this point. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>For the best wording, it might be a good idea to refer to the <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-to-pir-17jan20-en.pdf" target="_blank">letter from ICANN </a>to PIR that delayed the decision date. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I believe the wording is "</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>ICANN's request for additional information will not extend the 17 February 2020 deadline for ICANN to provide or withhold consent to PIR’s proposed change of control."</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If you accept the wording from that document, then the specific question for consensus in our group is ...</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Can we find out how many people in our group favour that "ICANN should withhold consent to PIR’s proposed change of control"?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Cheers!</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>David</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="m_6494946878323340072yiv7738021048yqt05197"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:08 PM Bill Woodcock <<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net" target="_blank">woody@pch.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><br><br>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 8:57 PM, David Mackey <<a href="mailto:mackey361@gmail.com" target="_blank">mackey361@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Can we find out how many people in our group favour the sale to be stopped?<br><br>Stopping the sale is not my position, and is not wording that I think should be used. PIR is ISOC’s property, and they’re free to sell PIR to anyone they choose, for any terms they choose.<br><br>What’s of interest is the delegation of the .ORG domain. It was delegated to ISOC under specific conditions, which ISOC unarguably no longer meets, and it was not delegated permanently, it was delegated subject to periodic review. They’ve triggered that review by their own action. A clear and well-established process and precedent exists, and was exercised on .ORG in 2002. My position is that ICANN should issue an open call for proposals for the delegation of .ORG, as in 2002, use the established multistakeholder process to review the 2002 criteria and approve them for re-use, or modify them as the community deems suitable given the long-term failure of the last selection, and use the established multistakeholder process to evaluate the proposals relative to the criteria, selecting the best one, and being very, very clear that it’s not property, and not subject to transfer outside of the open, competitive multistakeholder process.<br><br>This process is the process. There’s no question about that. It’s the only process that ICANN has ever used for .ORG. There was never a notion that it would only ever be applied once. The time has simply come to execute the established process again.<br><br> -Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="m_6494946878323340072yqt41802"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>CPWG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CPWG@icann.org" target="_blank">CPWG@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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