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</head><body><p>Jonathan: I beg to demur. I went to some lengths to get the European Union OUT of .INT,</p><p> OK?</p><p>To date, .INT is still owned by ICANN itself. Enough said.</p><p><br></p><p>CW</p><blockquote type="cite">El 27 de marzo de 2020 a las 19:27 Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> escribió: <br> <br><div style="color: #212121; background-color: #ffffff; text-align: left;" dir="auto">. INT is a GREAT idea! </div><div><br></div>Jonathan Zuck <br> Executive Director <br> Innovators Network Foundation <br> <a href="http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">www.InnovatorsNetwork.org</a><hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;"><div id="ox-f556884534-divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org><br> <strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, March 27, 2020 10:27:34 AM<br> <strong>To:</strong> Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org><br> <strong>Cc:</strong> Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com>; cpwg@icann.org <cpwg@icann.org><br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [CPWG] Domain Name Abuse... potentially</span><div> </div></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">Non-issue IMO. <br></div><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"><br></div><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">It wasn't that long ago that there was a working group that thrashed over the demands of the IOC that they be given special status to reserve a broad swath of names, I was on that committee, in which ISOC reps and lawyers wanted a status equivalent of the Red Cross. I strongly argued against the equivalency, part of a PoV that prevailed.</div><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"><br></div><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">The IOC has access to the same takedown remedies as any other brand, and is welcome to use them. That speculators would try to cash in is a feature of ICANN policy, and it's too late to turn back that clock, I don't see any abuse of registrants going on, and abuse of end-users won't occur unless some of these speculative domains are used for phishing.</div><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"><br></div><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">If the ISOC cared about its presence beyond bullying half the Greek restaurants in the world, the path is relatively simple and it doesn't even need its own TLD. As a body with observer status at the UN, the IOC would qualify easily under .INT from which it could develop a complete official domain hierarchy. End users would know (and could be messaged) that the only legit official olympic domains would be under .INT and that would be the end of the problem.</div><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"><br></div></div><br><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail_attr">On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 11:03, Jonathan Zuck < <a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>> wrote: <br></div><blockquote><div><div class="ox-f556884534-x_gmail-m_7215663509756273678WordSection1"><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">It’s a bit like war profiteering. It’s disgusting but not really illegal and probably shouldn’t be. Buying up domains with a likely value isn’t itself DNS Abuse or even DNS “Misuse,” in ANY way. I would argue that these are domains more likely meant for resale than abuse although if the powers that be refuse to pay a premium, they might get used that way. Let’s be VERY careful about how we position ourselves on this lest we lose the modicum of credibility we have gained the past year. There’s a LOT of actual DNS Abuse taking advantage of this crisis, so let’s focus on that and continue in our efforts to combat systemic abuse, support predictive analytics, etc. This is a very dangerous path. If anything, it suggests that a restricted domain like .OLYMPICS would be a good idea.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-color: #b5c4df; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">From: </span> </strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">CPWG <<a href="mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">cpwg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Joanna Kulesza <<a href="mailto:jkuleszaicann@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener">jkuleszaicann@gmail.com</a>><br> <strong>Date: </strong>Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:00 AM<br> <strong>To: </strong>"<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">cpwg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">cpwg@icann.org</a>><br> <strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [CPWG] Domain Name Abuse... potentially<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p>Thank you for these guys. I strongly argue this is exactly the discssion we should be having, and not just within CPWG / AtLarge, but it could be a good place to start. One way of approaching this would be to look at all the "norms" already out there: legal, as you mention, Wolfgang, but also standards based, as have been named in previous threads. Finding a common ground between and among these (starting with the "used up" example of child porn or the always controversial IP protection) could be a start. <u></u><u></u></p><p>Looking forward to continuing this thread. Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p><p>Joanna <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">W dniu 27.03.2020 o 11:37, Wolfgang Kleinwächter pisze:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">Is the abuse "unfair", "tricky", "harmful" or "illegal"? Is this a "freedom" or "market" issue? If it is illegal (under domestic law or international law), it needs a response (and a procedure). This is a slippery slope. ICANN is not the "Content Police" of the Internet. But somebody has to look at such cases. Any idea? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">Wolfgang <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><blockquote><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">Roberto Gaetano <a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a> hat am 27. März 2020 um 10:42 geschrieben: <br> <br> Both - your perception depends on which side you are. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">It is an investment for the buyer and an abuse for the victim. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">R <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal"><br> <br> <u></u><u></u></p><blockquote><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">On 27.03.2020, at 09:29, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond < <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">As the Tokyo 2020 Olympics are postponed to 2021, domain name pirates jumped on the occasion to make a quick buck. <br> <br> <a href="https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/27/business/tokyo-2021-olympic-domains/?appsule=1&idfa#.Xn24n3J7lPZ" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/27/business/tokyo-2021-olympic-domains/?appsule=1&idfa#.Xn24n3J7lPZ</a> <br> <br> Is this domain name abuse or domain name investment? <br> <br> Kindest regards, <br> <br> Olivier <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="ox-f556884534-x_MsoNormal">_______________________________________________ <br> CPWG mailing list <br> <a href="mailto:CPWG@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">CPWG@icann.org</a> <br> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg</a> <br> <br> _______________________________________________ <br> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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