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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 27 mars 2020 à 16:03, Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" class="">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It’s a bit like war profiteering. It’s disgusting but not really illegal and probably shouldn’t be. Buying up domains with a likely value isn’t itself DNS Abuse or even DNS “Misuse,” in ANY way. I would argue that these are domains more likely meant for resale than abuse although if the powers that be refuse to pay a premium, they might get used that way. Let’s be VERY careful about how we position ourselves on this lest we lose the modicum of credibility we have gained the past year. There’s a LOT of actual DNS Abuse taking advantage of this crisis, so let’s focus on that and continue in our efforts to combat systemic abuse, support predictive analytics, etc. This is a very dangerous path. If anything, it suggests that a restricted domain like .OLYMPICS would be a good idea.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">CPWG <<a href="mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cpwg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Joanna Kulesza <<a href="mailto:jkuleszaicann@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jkuleszaicann@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:00 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cpwg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cpwg@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [CPWG] Domain Name Abuse... potentially<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><p class="">Thank you for these guys. I strongly argue this is exactly the discssion we should be having, and not just within CPWG / AtLarge, but it could be a good place to start. One way of approaching this would be to look at all the "norms" already out there: legal, as you mention, Wolfgang, but also standards based, as have been named in previous threads. Finding a common ground between and among these (starting with the "used up" example of child porn or the always controversial IP protection) could be a start.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Looking forward to continuing this thread. Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Joanna<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">W dniu 27.03.2020 o 11:37, Wolfgang Kleinwächter pisze:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Is the abuse "unfair", "tricky", "harmful" or "illegal"? Is this a "freedom" or "market" issue? If it is illegal (under domestic law or international law), it needs a response (and a procedure). This is a slippery slope. ICANN is not the "Content Police" of the Internet. But somebody has to look at such cases. Any idea?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Wolfgang<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Roberto Gaetano<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>hat am 27. März 2020 um 10:42 geschrieben:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Both - your perception depends on which side you are.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It is an investment for the buyer and an abuse for the victim.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">R<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 27.03.2020, at 09:29, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As the Tokyo 2020 Olympics are postponed to 2021, domain name pirates jumped on the occasion to make a quick buck.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/27/business/tokyo-2021-olympic-domains/?appsule=1&idfa#.Xn24n3J7lPZ" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/27/business/tokyo-2021-olympic-domains/?appsule=1&idfa#.Xn24n3J7lPZ</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Is this domain name abuse or domain name investment?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Kindest regards,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Olivier<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">CPWG mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="mailto:CPWG@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">CPWG@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">_______________________________________________<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">CPWG mailing list<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><a href="mailto:CPWG@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">CPWG@icann.org</a><o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg</a><o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">_______________________________________________<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.<o:p class=""></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">-- <o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">Kind regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">Joanna Kulesza<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">-------------------<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">Joanna Kulesza, PhD<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">University of Lodz, Poland<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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