[Ctn-crosscom] ISO 3-letter country codes

Thu Jun 2 08:59:15 UTC 2016

Hi Alexander,

Thank you for your comments! I think that making 3-letter country codes
available should be done outside of the next gTLD round and on the same
conditions at 2-letter country codes are now (
http://www.iana.org/help/cctld-delegation). This gives wider time range for
countries to make their plans and makes it more realistic to achive the
abitious plans of realeasing the rest on 3rd gTLD round. Setting some price
tag on the application that could but from our - small country and even
smaller registry - point of view is hopefully not set as high as the gTLD
applications, would help in avoiding delegations without no good reason.

I do not share your view on the seriousness of the problems you pointed
out.
"Countries" lacking interest on delegating 3-letter codes is good for gTLD
community and puts some substance into the proposal. Whether "the
countries" should have some saying on who gets the delegation of the
country code after the release for general gTLD registration is a subject
for debate. I do not see this absolutely necessary. But this can happen
only after "the countries" have had reasonable time to decide if they want
to user their priority.
I also think that it is not necessary or even smart for ICANN to attempt to
control the reasoning why anyone wants the delegation. Who is to decide
that Macao is too small to secure .mac for any other reason than denying
the option for the Apple.

Best Regards,

Timo Võhmar
Arendusjuht / Head of development

Eesti Interneti SA  / Estonian Internet Foundation
www.internet.ee

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Alexander Schubert <
alexander at schubert.berlin> wrote:

> Hello Timo,
>
>
>
> I welcome someone stepping forward, too,  announcing plans to base a round
> 2 gTLD application on a territory name or 3166 aplha-3 code element. And I
> second your notion that if such application were in conjunction and support
> with the respective nation (relevant Government authority) and maybe even
> the ccTLD operator: Who should  deny them to utilize that 3166 aplha-3 code
> element?
>
> So it all boils down to create a simple yet effective rule that:
>
> 1.       Enables an applicant to use a 3166 aplha-3 code element (or
> territory name like .spain) for a gTLD application – if they are vetted by
> the Government (and maybe by the ccTLD operator)
>
> 2.       Prevents entities from luring Governments into granting some
> “letter of non-objection” – maybe even based on bribes or sheer lack of
> expertise within the Government – thus creating harm to the Internet User!
>
>
>
> You made a suggestion for such mechanism: Allow “the country” to use the
> code as gTLD first – then in the 3rd round make them generally available.
> While manageable and desirable in your specific case I think we run into
> serious problems here:
>
> ·         Some countries have ZERO oversight over TLD’s in their
> territory. Germany for example. The German Government has absolutely no
> stakes, saying or influence over any German gTLD – or ccTLD. And by now
> there is a BUNCH of German geo-gTLD’s (6) plus of course “.de”. So the
> German Government wouldn’t voice any interest in applying for .deu: Not
> their job! Plus: www.irgendwas.deu looks more than odd. I am the greatest
> lover of geo gTLD’s, believe me that, but “.deu” seen from the eyes of the
> German Internet User is about as alluring as “.hrv” for people in Croatia
> or “.lva” for people in Latvia. So I do not see DENIC eG (the .de registry)
> to apply for it either.
>
> ·         So most nations would probably NOT “secure” their 3166 aplha-3
> code element. But many would OBJECT to some foreign (e.g. American) entity
> snagging up their 3166 aplha-3 code element as gTLD! Examples being:
>
> o   MAC (Macao): I don’t see a Wyoming sized nation (650k people) needing
> .mac – but I am also not sure they want to leave it to Apple! After all
> it’s a territory controlled by China. I don’t see China being happy if some
> territory (and being it virtual) being snagged up by an U.S. entity – they
> are certainly not happy about such incidents in the real world (they are
> even angry when a U.S. plane flies over their territory).
>
> o   LIE (Liechtenstein):  37k people – I think their ccTLD is enough. But
> I also think that the Prince of Liechtenstein wouldn’t be too amused about
> domains like www.911.lie or www.moonlanding.lie – because they
> Lichtensteiners have probably no aim (or capabilities) at landing on the
> moon and also do not use 911 as emergency code.
>
>
>
> So I assume the jump from “not available under ANY circumstances” to
> “completely unrestricted in the 3rd round” might be a bit ambiguous.
>
>
>
> There must be a mechanism in place that reserves these territory names or
> 3166 aplha-3 code elements – but makes them available when certain criteria
> are met. These seemingly involve the relevant Government and maybe the
> associated ccTLD operator. Has anyone a suggestion how this could be
> crafted? Do we know whether the GAC has already suggestions – or do they
> wait for us?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Alexander Schubert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ctn-crosscom-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> ctn-crosscom-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Timo Võhmar
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:43 PM
> *To:* ctn-crosscom at icann.org
> *Subject:* [Ctn-crosscom] ISO 3-letter country codes
>
>
>
> Hello everybody,
>
>
>
> I am Timo from Estonian Internet Foundation the ccTLD of Estonia (.ee),
> fresh observer in this WG. We have had some thoughts on the 3-letter ISO
> country codes for some time already playing with an idea how to use it. The
> CENTR survey some time ago on the topic of releasing the 3-letter codes as
> gTLDs made us move a bit quicker and form our ideas to a vision.
>
>
>
> It was a suprise when we found out that 3-letter codes are not reserved
> currently for countries but for future use. When we replied to the CENTR
> survey we had an impression that countries just do not see the value in
> 3-letter codes for them selves - to avoid confusion for registrants and
> unnecessary competition on ccTLD level. So we were quite positive in our
> answers toward releasing the codes as unused resource. But everything
> changed for us when we found out that even countries cannot have these
> under any condition. I know we were not the only ones under this false
> presumption as this topic has not been much discussed before and I would
> like to give my contribution to this debate.
>
>
>
> For starters we think that current status quo of just holding back the
> 3-letter codes like any other such reserved lists (AGB etc) is not ideal.
> It is unused resource that is of value and after making the new gTLD
> revolution it seems logical to put these in use as well. But we do not
> support releasing the country codes as gTLDs as the first step.
>
>
>
> We support doing this in two steps - making the 3-letter codes available
> to countries and after everyone that has an idea or sees an importance in
> securing the domain for that particular country the rest of the codes
> should be made available to everyone in some future gTLD round.
>
>
>
> The reasoning for this is simple - generally 3-letter codes are more
> closely related to the country name than 2-letter codes. And this is a big
> risk for these ccTLDs for obvious reasons like false association. We do not
> see the .com example as a precedent for releasing all others as well - this
> is traditional gTLD, has well known meaning and should be considered as
> exception in this case.
>
>
>
> After the release of IDN country code TLDs there are now three letter
> ccTLDs out there as well so there is no clear differentiation between
> ccTLDs and gTLDs by looking at the number of letters in TLD. Furthermore
> some ccTLDs are operated as gTLDs (.me, .tv, .io etc). So this argument is
> no good as well.
>
>
>
> In short we see the two step release of 3-letter ISO country codes as an
> alternative to the current status quo, a compromise to break the stalemate
> and move things forward.
>
>
>
> All questions and comments are very welcome.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Timo Võhmar
>
> Arendusjuht / Head of development
>
>
>
> Eesti Interneti SA  / Estonian Internet Foundation
>
> www.internet.ee
>
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