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<p>Please find attached an updated working version of the CTN-UCTN Options Paper that attempts to incorporate the comments made in our call as transcribed in the links noted below. Please feel free to add and circulate your comments/amendments prior to our
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<p>I have not deleted any existing comments but amendments have been made to deal with the questions they raise. If comments are adequately addressed, they can be noted for deletion during our next discussion.<br>
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<p>Many thanks and best wishes to all,<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Ctn-crosscom] Updated Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 20 April 2015</font>
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Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on </font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Monday 20 April 2015</font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(0,0,0); font-size:14px"> at 06:00 UTC
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<div>Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 20 April 2015</div>
<div> Lars Hoffmann:Good morning all.</div>
<div> Ron Sherwood:Good (very early) morning everyone</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Hello Ron and Joke, thank you for joining us.</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Sorry for the early hour, Ron - apparently there are big goings on in Costa Rica today involving Fadi and we tried to steer clear of overlapping with those activities</div>
<div> Ron Sherwood:I do understand... zzzzzz!</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Welcome, Bart!</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:Helloe everyone</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Thank you all for your timeliness - we'll wait 1 or 2 minutes to start to have another co-chair on the call</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everybody</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Welcome, Maxim - thank you for joining the call today</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we have adobe audio?</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:I believe so but will let Nathalie confirm</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:Yes Maxim</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:I see you have activated your mic</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):audio test positive</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi all</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:I am the call, but there is a lot of echo</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:Both you an dLars</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no echo for me via AC atm</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:resolved</div>
<div> Ron Sherwood:No echo here on AC</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:sorry</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:here I Am</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:great, carlos - thanks!</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:We are just now getting started</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:you go Heather pls</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:ok</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:scroll control??</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:enabled</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth lange has joined the call</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I am all OK with the BG part of the doc subject to the mnor edits and some format issues ( e.g. bottom of page 6)</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is not on the Audio bridge, not has emabled her mic in the AC room</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Note Deffinittion is an orphanws from the table in my view of the doc... needs a page return pre that word...</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Noted, thanks Cheryl</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):refernece to 6 on 6th page needs URL to the previous document</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the net, and with the sound</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Exactly Bart a commin issue with readers of our previous docs../ is to bring in 'Common Use' terms (geo I admot) as "Territory" when we mean the LISTED ones...</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I donīt think you hear me</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:No we don't Annabeth</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm OK with the several terms used in the deffinitions lstr as Heather proposes and A BIG supporter of the Capitals for Deffined Terms use ;-)</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Can you call me on 0047 959 11 559</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the sound</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:So do you mean that the territories in the ISO list should be taken out, Heather and Carlos?</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Not quite, Annebeth - that we have 3 separate definitions</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:1. Country names, 2. Territory names, 3. Country and territory names</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:only in the third one we refer to the ISO list</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Understood, Bart - there are political issues here</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:It is not us deciding what is countries. When UN decide a new country, that will be on the ISO list</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:So I agree, this is politics</div>
<div> Joke Braeken:I agree Annebeth</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:And we must remember that our WG is working with c & t names as TLDs, not only as gTLDs</div>
<div> Joke Braeken:exactly</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:I agree Annebeth, and we should treat them chronologically</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:1st cctlds</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:and then, get into the gTLD workd</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:world</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:quite right, Bart- the terminology has always been an issue here</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:So what then, do you mean with countries in your suggested list 1?</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agreement from me on that Bart :-)</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I agree strongly with Bart. RFC 1591 is the starting point.</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:No, it does not seem to work. COuld someone call me on 004795911559?</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:of course!</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Thanks very much Nathalie</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it is important to stick to established facts ... thus term geopolitical might be better to ommit</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Carlos, yes, but it is the starting point for the countries and territories. The names of the countries and territories have gotten their code FROM their name</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is now on te audio bidge</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Thank you Nathalia</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Nathalie....</div>
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<div> Nathalie Peregrine:Jaap Akkerhuis has joined the call</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Carlos - old hand or new hand?</div>
<div> jaap akkehuis:Apologies for being late</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:got it</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Welcome, Jaap. Thank you for joining us</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:old hand</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:sorry</div>
<div> jaap akkehuis:The ISO standard has a definition what a country and territory is</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:agree</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:country and terrotyt according to ISO</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:no regions</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:Olga is here in Costa rica...</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in 3166 'areas of geographical interest' and do we use 'areas of particular geopolitical interest'</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:but busy with other stuff</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):?</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:I just saw her</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:Mirjana Tasic has joined the call</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Welcome Mirjana</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:2 or 3 letter</div>
<div> Mirjana Tasic:Heloo, I am soryy I am late</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Lost me?</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Mute!</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):geopolitical is fine since it is used by ISO</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:And when new countries are created, they will get a new 2-letter code</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:introspection by Heather</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:talking so herself</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:And a 3-letter code, and a 4-letter code</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:2, 3 and 4 letter representation</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:right</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:And in my view, Carlos, they kind of identify the countries</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I do not think new territories will be established - that is historical, probably</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:iprefer the langugae of the ccNS</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:O paper</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:the codes REPRESENT country names</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:THat is OK, Carlos, as long as we agree</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:we agree</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Carlos - would you suggest we discuss this under the heading 'two letter strings'?</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Instead of 'two-letter codes'?</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:As we have talked about earlier, we have had .com from the start. I do not think Jon Postel then took the Comores 3-letter code. In the beginning it was clear that this meant COMMERCIAL, and because of that, no confusion</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:in the ptions</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:options</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:The problems giving away the 2-letter codes not assigned, is that we then makes it impossible for new countries to have "THEIR" 2-letter code</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I think we clearly should deal with that in the options paper</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I agree, Carlos</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:right</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I understand, Heather, where we discuss the different solutions</div>
<div> jaap akkehuis:When you start to talk about using non assigned codes one should really make a difference between top level domains amd further down the tree</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:we are cler</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I agree with Jaap</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:If Jaap, you mean that those not assigned could be "free".</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:That is OK, Heater, as long as it is covered</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we have wording for the situation of "new ISO code created ' and gTLD is already in use?</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather</div>
<div> jaap akkehuis:That is why one to make the difference between TLDs and below.</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:I would assume that any of our recommendations as a CWG are conditioned on the current use of ccTLDs with a recommendation that this be reviewed at a future point if codes are used differently</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):with 4 letters ... it is not that simple ... how to estimate demand for new subdivisions ... country want additional detalization for some reasons ... totally unpredictable ... potentially blocks all 4 letters</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:We are not in a position to guess at future ccTLD policy</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Whether something is confusing depends on its use - very difficult to pre-determine the outcome</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:What makes it difficult are the IDNs</div>
<div> Laura Hutchison:I would suggest that a precedent has already been set with countries using 2 letter codes as ccTLDs. This is understood by the end user. If we set up provisions/ protections for countries to use 3 or 4 letter codes then firstly this
would create confusion for the end user as some 3 letter codes are ccTLs and others are gTLDs; and secondly, it makes for a very restrictive system that allows ccTLDs a "bigger slice of the pie" as Annebeth just said.</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:of course Annebeth, and we should be cleqr on that</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:excellent</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Thanks, Laura, I am happy that I am not the only one having understood it this way</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we refer to historical reasons to protect all 2 letters</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:I agree with Maxim</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and only of existing 3 and 4 letters?</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:No none</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:but only the assinged ones</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:all happy</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Maxim, there is also political reasons to protect here</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:Yes I am</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Fine</div>
<div> Carlos Raul:Hope I can go back to sleep.....good nite. Next time at 3pm my time please</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks Everyone</div>
<div> Ron Sherwood:Thank you all</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:Bye all</div>
<div> Laura Hutchison:Thanks. Bye everyone</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Thanks everyone - great progress</div>
<div> Mirjana Tasic:Bye</div>
<div> jaap akkehuis:By everymone, agan apologoes</div>
<div> Nathalie Peregrine:thank you!</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Thanks very much for all your support, Nathalie, Bart, Lars</div>
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