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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">In response to the action items from the last meeting</span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">2. The diversity of responses does not really surprise or concern me. I think it demonstrates that we are flushing out a full range of views, although I do consequently have some doubts on whether
we will be able to reach any consensus position. </span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">3. Whilst I found the staff summary with the pie charts a really useful overview, they do rather simplify the range of views, in that sometimes the answer "no" is for diametrically opposed reasons.
Taking Q2 as an example, should 3 letter codes be allocated as gTLDs where not on the ISO list, the GNSO respondents have said "no" because they believe all 3-letter codes should be allocated to gTLDs regardless of whether on the ISO list. When you look
at other respondents, however, they also may be saying "no" but in some cases because they think no further 3-letter codes should be allocated for use to gTLDs (eg .pa), or because they think other restrictions besides the ISO list might rule out additional
names (eg .hk response). </span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I had been considering suggesting some revision to the staff summary to reflect these nuances therefore, although was reluctant to suggest further work on this. Having read Heather's suggested way
forward I think that this would be a really sensible approach since it would allow us to identify where there are common views. I support Heather's suggestion therefore. </span></div>
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Susan Payne
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On 19 Jan 2016, at 23:03, Heather Forrest <<a href="mailto:Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au">Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear CWG colleagues,</p>
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<p>Please find my responses to our action items from our meeting of 11 January.</p>
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<p>1. Check summary of responses: On behalf of the IPC, I confirm that the IPC's comments are fully captured in the table prepared by Lars and circulated to the CWG on 8 January.</p>
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<p>2. Diversity of responses: I fully expected a broad range of responses based on earlier discussions on 3-letter codes within the ccNSO Study Group. I believe the fact that we received such a diversity of responses reflects positively in that the community
is engaged with our work and they have had an opportunity to voice views on this challenging topic, even if that makes our work more challenging.</p>
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<p>3. Proposal for how to move forward: </p>
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<li><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Step 1: Review comments received to determine whether there are any commonalities across responses. </span><br>
</li><li><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Step 2: Draft one-paragraph summaries of the responses to each question. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">A</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">void attributing significance to the
quantity of responses or characterising responses as, for example, </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">GNSO vs ccNSO. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Focus on comments which include rationale, rather than comments that do not expressly provide rationale
or whose rationale is limited to 'maintain status quo simply because it is status quo'. Plan to complete this for presentation to the CWG at Marrakech.</span></li><li><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Step 3: Communicate our work on 2- and 3-letter codes to the newly formed GNSO Policy Development Process on Next Round Procedures and establish communications links with the PDP to ensure the CWG's work is taken into consideration
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<div>With very best wishes to all,<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Ctn-crosscom] Informal notes CTN call 11 January 2016</font>
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<p align="LEFT"><font face="Arial">Please find included the informal notes from yesterdays call. The chat and recoding will be published separately.</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Please also note the Action item for all. </span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>1. Check summary of responses document to check if responses are captured proporely?</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>2. Is the diversity of responses a concern for you (and why)?</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>3. Please provide a suggestion how to move forward, specifically in light of the diversity</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>Request to share on email list (the sooner the better)</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>Staff will not summarise the responses to the 3 questions above.</b></span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>CWG – Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains </b> Monday 11 January 2016 at 2100 UTC </span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">1. Welcome</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">2. Tour de Table on community feedback (esp. Staff overview/analysis paper) </span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">3. Next steps, incl work plan until Marrakech </span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">4. AOB</span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>1. Welcome</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">No Apologies received</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">First meeting in 2016</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Summary of community feed-back on Survey on 3-letter codes as TLDs.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Survey is NOT a public comment process, but gathering information.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">By Dublin, few responses, following the Dublin meeting several additional responses. To date still awaiting 3 responses</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">It was important as prep for this meeting. All to look at summary of comments.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Important to note that all responses are captured in original wording, they have NOT been changed.</span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>2. Tour de Table on community feedback (esp. Staff overview/analysis paper) </b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b><i>Lars to provide overview</i></b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Document based on feed-back received. Other, second document includes full submissions. </span><span style="font-family:Arial">Caveat, not all responses received yet</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">From page 3 onwards summary overview of responses. </span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Staff observation: GNSO realtively cohesive, compared to ccTLD responses ( see overview).</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Some of the arguments are more a justification of desired outcome.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Group is advised to work other way around. </span><span style="font-family:Arial">Start from existing policy and then move into what is needed </span></p>
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<font face="Arial">Emphasise</font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Arial">: no changes made to input recevied.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">When you go through to comments, NOTE this is NOT a public comment. </span><span style="font-family:Arial">It is a starting point for discussion. Feed-back not be treated as comment
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b><i>Tour de table</i></b></span></p>
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<font face="Arial">Heather Forrest: What is helpful from piechart overviews: wide range of input. No unanimaty from community. Secondly note some of responses are constituency based, for example the IPC. They reflect view of larger group. </font><span style="font-family:Arial; font-size:14px">Example: from GNSO input per constituency, consituency could reflect more then one entity</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Ohter comments?</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Move forward as with two-letter ?</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Check general principles?</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Annebeth Lange Members asked to share their views. Members should share their thoughts. </span><span style="font-family:Arial">(From chat) Co-chairs, really need you as WG members to come with your views. We are here as facilitators, but it is difficult without comments from you. Lars and his team have done an excellent job to summarize and tried to make an analysis, but we really need your views on that.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Carlos: Co-chairs are interested in putting for a strawman bfeore Marrakesh meeting.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Laura Hutchinson (from chat): I support the idea of using the document created by staff as a starting point. The strawman document worked very well for the first part of our work so think it would make sense to follow that method again this time.</span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">General discussion: What policy rationale can drive the outcome. Need to defend the recommendation</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">No uniform position. Be careful what policy can drive</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Suggestion for change: </span><span style="font-family:Arial">First goal is whether it is possible to define a framework? </span><span style="font-family:Arial">Is it possible to
find a common ground</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Defintion in CTN documents should reflect purpose in charter: not to develop policy. The terms are </span><span style="font-family:Arial">"Feasibility" and "definitional framework" </span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Paul Szyndler: </span><span style="font-family:Arial">Staff needs guidance to start work. </span><span style="font-family:Arial">It is in remit of CTN to talk about agreed principles. An acceptable outcome could also be that there
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>Action all: </b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>1. Check if responses are captured proporely?</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>2. Concern is there is diversity?</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>3. Suggestion how to move forward, specifically in light of the diversity</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>Request to share on email list (the sooner the better)</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>Staff will not summarise the responses ot 3 questions.</b></span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>3. Next steps, incl work plan until Marrakech</b> </span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Based on responses to 3 questions, chart work to Marrakesh</span></p>
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<font face="Arial">Include general observations in document what "status quo” means for use of 3 letter-codes as TLDs. Working definition of status quo: Confirm policies and their implementation (add examples of 3 -letter codes, including overview/number of 3-letter codes
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>4. AOB</b></span></p>
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<b style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Arial; font-size:14px">S</b><font face="Arial">taff support: Understanding that GAC would like to have meeting with leadership of the group ( tentatively and preferably on Sunday afternoon, 6 March 2016).</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Suggestion: not to make it a leadership meeting from CTN side.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Staff understanding: Whole of the GAC, needs to be confirmed.</span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial">Closure at 21.55</span></p>
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<p align="LEFT" style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial"><b>Next meeting 25 January 2016, 21.00 UTC</b></span></p>
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