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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org">ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday 23 April 2016 20:40<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Alexander Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Updated StrawWoman Proposal on 3-character codes<br>
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<div>my comments inline and welcome to participate actively in the group!!!!</div>
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<div>On 23 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Alexander Schubert wrote:</div>
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<div>I have been following this group for quite some while but remained </div>
<div>obviously silent. I have been engaged in geo-gTLD’s since November </div>
<div>2004; when Dirk and me started “.berlin”. I have also founded an </div>
<div>applicant that went for a three letter new gTLD (the community </div>
<div>applicant for .gay).</div>
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<div>I am planning to create a true community multi stakeholder applicant </div>
<div>for a three letter gTLD based on an ISO 3166 III code in the 2nd </div>
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<div>In that case I strongly encourage you to support a definitive </div>
<div>pdp-process on the use of country and territory names based on ISO that </div>
<div>may or may not support your idea but make it mandatory for any </div>
<div>subsequent round. So far this is only a CWG exercise, and the draft text </div>
<div>shows that for the time being it is not possible to preclude any of the </div>
<div>ideas submitted so far to the Team about using 3-letter codes or not, </div>
<div>because we are far from any consensus (other that developing a true </div>
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<div>and write here in that capacity. Reading your thoughts I can say that </div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Annebeth: This is in contradiction with the “Starting point for Possible Policy Framework” in the Straw Man Paper, and therefore shows clearly your point above, Carlos, that we are far from consensus.</div>
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<div>And there is absolutely ZERO reason to deny</div>
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<div>such use, if:</div>
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<div>o The respective ccTLD operator is the RSP for the new string and</div>
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<div>the previous ccNSO working group could have come to that conclusion, but </div>
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<div>o Hence agrees into creating its own “competition”</div>
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<div>The Swiss authorities did it to some degree by not allowing .ch to run </div>
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<div>policy and .swiss is longer than 3 letters……..sometimes the DNS is </div>
<div>also about innovation.</div>
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<div>o The relevant Government authorities agree in such usage as well</div>
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<div>Annebeth: Underline my comment 36 in the Straw Man that it will be impossible to deny a government to market “their” 3-letter code, for example in competition with the existing 2-letter code.</div>
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<div>Annebeth: The text from the AGB 2.2.1.4.2 about registration of cities etc. uses the expression “the relevant government or public authorities”. It must be up to each country to establish what that is.</div>
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<div>I think the litmus test is: What if a nation WANTS another TLD?</div>
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<div>another TLD or another ccTLD?</div>
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<div>What if UK said they want .eng Domains (no, I am not building a .eng) </div>
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<div>not sure if eng is a 3 letter code under ISO………</div>
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<div>Who are we to deny them their wish?</div>
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<div>So far, only the applicants guidebook of the last round</div>
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<div>Why not simply assigning the same principles as for geo-TLD’s: If </div>
<div>the relevant Government authorities agree – then obviously they want </div>
<div>it. Why would we DENY them that string? Same with the ccTLD </div>
<div>competition: If the ccTLD operator is in agreement (e.g. because they </div>
<div>are the RSP for the new string or for whatever other reason) why not </div>
<div>allowing them to market it as “competition”?</div>
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<div>Annebeth: Alexander, do you mean that both the relevant government/public authority and the ccTLD operator should agree?</div>
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<div>nice idea for the ccNSO</div>
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<div>Would a double opt-in by Government AND the ccTLD operator ease the </div>
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<div>possible, if the local jurisdiction make such a deal possible. But </div>
<div>again, outside the realm of ICANN</div>
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<div>Does the GAC even REALIZE that the “perceived protection” amounts </div>
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<div>GAC has its own WG on Geographic names. You could ask them</div>
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<div>Sincerely yours,</div>
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<div>Recommended reading on the previous work by the ccNSO</div>
<div><a href="http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/unct-framework-charter-27mar14-en.pdf">http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/unct-framework-charter-27mar14-en.pdf</a></div>
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<div><a href="http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/ccwg-ctn-progress-23sep14-en.pdf">http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/ccwg-ctn-progress-23sep14-en.pdf</a></div>
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<div>Recommended reading on the objectives of this ccNSO-GNSO CWgroup</div>
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<div><a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48346463">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48346463</a></div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org">ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<div>[<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann</div>
<div>Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 5:32 PM</div>
<div>To: <a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org">ctn-crosscom@icann.org</a></div>
<div>Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] FW: Updated StrawWoman Proposal on 3-character </div>
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<div>Der all,</div>
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<div>Here is Colin’s document for those who did not receive it.</div>
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<div>Best. Lars</div>
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<div>From: Colin O'Brien <<a href="mailto:colin@PartridgePartnersPC.com">colin@PartridgePartnersPC.com</a>
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<div><<a href="mailto:colin@PartridgePartnersPC.com">mailto:colin@PartridgePartnersPC.com</a>> ></div>
<div>Date: Thursday 21 April 2016 at 14:19</div>
<div>To: Lars HOFFMANN <<a href="mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org">lars.hoffmann@icann.org</a>
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<div><<a href="mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org">mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org</a>> >, "<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org">ctn-crosscom@icann.org</a>
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<div>Subject: RE: Updated StrawWoman Proposal on 3-character codes</div>
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<div>Hello Lars,</div>
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<div>Please find attached my comments and edits.</div>
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<div>Cordially,</div>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org">ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<div>Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 1:35 PM</div>
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<div>Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] Updated StrawWoman Proposal on 3-character </div>
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<div>Dear all,</div>
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<div>Please find attached the updated version of the StrawWoman on </div>
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<div>If you have any comments please use the attached documents and add </div>
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<div>me. I will collate all comments and redistribute a master document </div>
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<div>Speaking of … due to scheduling issues, the co-Chairs have decided </div>
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