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<p align="LEFT"><font face="Calibri">Please find below the <b>notes</b> taken during the meeting of the
<b><i>CWG on the Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains</i></b>, on Monday 23 May at 21 UTC.</font></p>
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<li><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><font face="Calibri">Welcome</font></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">Preparation for community meetings in Helsinki</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">Any other business</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">Next meeting</span></li></ol>
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<p align="LEFT" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: -webkit-standard;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><b><font color="#00007f">Notes and Action Items</font></b></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial;"><b>1. Welcome</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Meeting chaired by Carlos. We are in the process of f</font><font face="Calibri">inishing the arrangements of the F2F in Helsinki. Today we are concentrating on those preparations.</font><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial;"><b>2. Preparation for community meetings in Helsinki</b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Calibri" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Bart prepared an overview/mindmap for the Wednesday afternoon session, taking place between 15:15 - 16:45 local time. Still pending: a potential
</font><font face="Calibri">meeting between the co-chairs of this WG and the GAC WG. Could be potentially on Tuesday, right after lunch.</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">As for the Wednesday afternoon cross-community session, we will discuss today the following aspects:</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">- GOAL of the session</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">- potential TOPICS</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">- FORMAT</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">- ORGANISATION</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b><i><u><font face="Arial" style="font-size: 15px;">GOAL:</font></u></i></b></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Based on discussion in the last call and after consulting with the co-chairs, the goal is to present an overview of the geo name initiative in general. What is it trying to achieve for the broader community? Explore the feasibility of a harmonsied approach. What is such a harmonised approach,
who are the interested parties, and why is it needed?</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Heather added that we indeed need to make a note of other potentially overlapping activities in the ICANN environment.</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Alexander S. invites for an RFP : what string do other applicants want to apply for in the next new gTLD round? In certain niches (e.g. community TLDs), the application rules resulted to be not feasible. </font><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Bart
Boswinkel confirmed that the aim is to come up with a harmonised work. </span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Carlos: one of the biggest challenges is to keep our discussion connected with other initiatives. Have discussions with other processes. PDP on subsequent rounds takess note of all the questions asked here.
In the new gTLD round, there is the i</font><span style="font-family: Calibri;">ssue of competition: looking at successful and failed applications</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Limited work of this group: 2-char and 3-char.</font></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><b><i><u>TOPICS:</u></i></b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Should somehow come back in the format. </font><span style="font-family: Calibri;">provide a general lay of the land. What does it mean, to have a fragmented approach, or a harmonised approach?
Include the c</span><span style="font-family: Calibri;">oncerns raised by SSAC. </span><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Geo vs country & territory names.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Probably interesting for GAC, new gTLDS. ccTLDS who have deep concern on use of country and territory names.
</span><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Core 3-char code differences.</span></p>
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<p align="LEFT"><font face="Calibri">Heather: question regarding timing. Overlap with the GNSO RPM PDP WG. We might loose certain people towards the end of our session.</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">ccNSO scheduled this on wednesday afternoon. Originally, there were 2 alternatives: Tuesday afternoon, or wednesday afternoon. </font><span style="font-family: Calibri;">ccNSO meets GAC on Tuesday from 15:15 until 16: 15 followed by session on SOP. Only available slot was
Wednesday afternoon. Knowing there are parallel sessions, but from ccNSO perspective, this was the best alternative.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Carlos: we welcome good conversation between both organisations, ccNSO and GNSO. 1,5h in this framework is much appreciated, even though there are conflicting sessions. </font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">BB: meeting is not limited to ccNSO and GNSO. Others are invited to attend. Clear intention to have a true cross-community session, including the SSAC topic.</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Marika: suggestion to having this session as a sub-topic on Tuesday afternoon.</font></p>
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<p align="LEFT"><font face="Calibri" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Jaap discussed the concern of the SSAC: </font><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri;">Many people claim having a say in Top Level Domains. </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri;">e.g. dot onion. TLD to be reserved, but not used for DNS protocol.</span><font face="Calibri">ISO3166 list, IETF ... None of these groups are talking to each
other. Each group develops its own policies, according to the caffetaria-model: you pick what you want. </font><span style="font-family: Calibri;">3-letter codes and geographic names are unrelated. SSAC is trying to come up with a study: wo does what. </span><span style="font-family: Calibri;">ISO3166 does not even mention supernational areas such as
(dot) amazon.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Feasibility of a harmonsied approach in a broader context is being explored here.</font></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><b><i><u>FORMAT</u></i></b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">practicalities. How do we bring the different topics forward and how to engage the audience? </font><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Those who are interested, but not experts, should be able to follow too.
Suggestion to have </span><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Panel discussions, in speed panels. </span><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Discussions on 1 or 3 core issues, that need to be identified. Presenters to be identified, and moderator too.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Suggested way forward:</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Brief discussion, and then engage community as much as possibly by asking specifiic questions, and then have the sense of the temperature in the room. </font><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Thus you can discuss different topics relatively quickly, and engage the community.</span></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Heather raised again the issue that you risk to miss certain GNSO people due to a conflicting session. </font><span style="font-family: Calibri;">BB: we need to get back to WG. if it is embedded in another session, the ccTLDS may not be interested. Moreover, you only have 10 minutes time
if you embed it on Tuesday, instead of the 90 minutes time the ccNSO can offer. Final schedule arrangements are due to ICANN no later than</span><span style="font-family: Calibri;"> Wednesday.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><b><i><u>ORGANISATION:</u></i></b></span></p>
<p align="LEFT"><font face="Calibri">The cross-community forum on Wednesday afternoon, under auspices of the ccNSO, is still open for discussion, due to schedule overlapping issues raised by the GNSO. Does the WG want to continue with this 90 min session on
Wednesday afternoon under auspices of the ccNSO, or go instead for an embedded 10 min session on Tuesday? An answer to this question needs to be provided no later than Wednesday, when schedule arrangements are due to ICANN.</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">Once this is clear:</font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">- People on call need to agree on the format, </font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">- the core topics need to be identified. </font></p>
<p align="LEFT" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">- session chair, presenters, moderators, speed panelists need to be identified and contacted.</font><span style="font-family: Calibri;"> </span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial;"><b>3. Any other business</b></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial;"><b>4. Next meeting</b></span></p>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
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<div>Joke Braeken</div>
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<div><a href="mailto:joke.braeken@icann.org">joke.braeken@icann.org</a></div>
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