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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif" size="+1">Dear Alexander, All<br>
As we see, there are lot of exemptions, various approaches,
different arguments how to use country and territory names as
gTLD.<br>
Current discussion is related to very small part off the problem
- how to use 3166 alpha-3 code element. But there are lot of
other country and territory names - official name, short name of
the country (may be territory also) etc. - Study Group have
prepared a document on that. Discussion on each item will take
lot of time - as we see it on </font><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif" size="+1">3166 alpha-3 code. In this
regards I want to remind my proposal - to underline these all
C&T related names in the user browser, possible to do it
using different colors (example - SSL certificate indication in
the address bar of the browser). In that case end user will have
additional information - is it a gTLD or it is a ccTLD. Of
course, it may take some time to describe end users the meaning
of this difference. In that case each country will be able to
deal with related names as they want - Germany can continue his
policy, Macao can sell this name of keep it for own usage etc.
Technically it is not a problem - how to implement this
approach.<br>
<br>
Grigori Saghyan<br>
ISOC.AM<br>
</font>On 01.06.2016 18:59, Alexander Schubert wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello
Timo,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
welcome someone stepping forward, too, announcing plans to
base a round 2 gTLD application on a territory name or 3166
aplha-3 code element. And I second your notion that if such
application were in conjunction and support with the
respective nation (relevant Government authority) and maybe
even the ccTLD operator: Who should deny them to utilize
that 3166 aplha-3 code element?<br>
<br>
So it all boils down to create a simple yet effective rule
that:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Enables
an applicant to use a 3166 aplha-3 code element (or
territory name like .spain) for a gTLD application – if they
are vetted by the Government (and maybe by the ccTLD
operator)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Prevents
entities from luring Governments into granting some “letter
of non-objection” – maybe even based on bribes or sheer lack
of expertise within the Government – thus creating harm to
the Internet User!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You
made a suggestion for such mechanism: Allow “the country” to
use the code as gTLD first – then in the 3<sup>rd</sup>
round make them generally available. While manageable and
desirable in your specific case I think we run into serious
problems here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some
countries have ZERO oversight over TLD’s in their territory.
Germany for example. The German Government has absolutely no
stakes, saying or influence over any German gTLD – or ccTLD.
And by now there is a BUNCH of German geo-gTLD’s (6) plus of
course “.de”. So the German Government wouldn’t voice any
interest in applying for .deu: Not their job! Plus: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.irgendwas.deu"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.irgendwas.deu">www.irgendwas.deu</a></a>
looks more than odd. I am the greatest lover of geo gTLD’s,
believe me that, but “.deu” seen from the eyes of the German
Internet User is about as alluring as “.hrv” for people in
Croatia or “.lva” for people in Latvia. So I do not see
DENIC eG (the .de registry) to apply for it either.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So
most nations would probably NOT “secure” their 3166 aplha-3
code element. But many would OBJECT to some foreign (e.g.
American) entity snagging up their 3166 aplha-3 code element
as gTLD! Examples being:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">MAC
(Macao): I don’t see a Wyoming sized nation (650k people)
needing .mac – but I am also not sure they want to leave it
to Apple! After all it’s a territory controlled by China. I
don’t see China being happy if some territory (and being it
virtual) being snagged up by an U.S. entity – they are
certainly not happy about such incidents in the real world
(they are even angry when a U.S. plane flies over their
territory).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">LIE
(Liechtenstein): 37k people – I think their ccTLD is
enough. But I also think that the Prince of Liechtenstein
wouldn’t be too amused about domains like <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.911.lie"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.911.lie">www.911.lie</a></a>
or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.moonlanding.lie">www.moonlanding.lie</a>
– because they Lichtensteiners have probably no aim (or
capabilities) at landing on the moon and also do not use 911
as emergency code.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So
I assume the jump from “not available under ANY
circumstances” to “completely unrestricted in the 3<sup>rd</sup>
round” might be a bit ambiguous.
<br>
<br>
There must be a mechanism in place that reserves these
territory names or 3166 aplha-3 code elements – but makes
them available when certain criteria are met. These
seemingly involve the relevant Government and maybe the
associated ccTLD operator. Has anyone a suggestion how this
could be crafted? Do we know whether the GAC has already
suggestions – or do they wait for us?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alexander
Schubert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org">ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Timo
Võhmar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org">ctn-crosscom@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ctn-crosscom] ISO 3-letter country codes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello
everybody,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
am Timo from Estonian Internet Foundation the ccTLD of
Estonia (.ee), fresh observer in this WG. We have had
some thoughts on the 3-letter ISO country codes for some
time already playing with an idea how to use it. The
CENTR survey some time ago on the topic of releasing the
3-letter codes as gTLDs made us move a bit quicker and
form our ideas to a vision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It
was a suprise when we found out that 3-letter codes are
not reserved currently for countries but for future use.
When we replied to the CENTR survey we had an impression
that countries just do not see the value in 3-letter
codes for them selves - to avoid confusion for
registrants and unnecessary competition on ccTLD level.
So we were quite positive in our answers toward
releasing the codes as unused resource. But everything
changed for us when we found out that even countries
cannot have these under any condition. I know we were
not the only ones under this false presumption as this
topic has not been much discussed before and I would
like to give my contribution to this debate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For
starters we think that current status quo of just
holding back the 3-letter codes like any other such
reserved lists (AGB etc) is not ideal. It is unused
resource that is of value and after making the new gTLD
revolution it seems logical to put these in use as well.
But we do not support releasing the country codes as
gTLDs as the first step.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
support doing this in two steps - making the 3-letter
codes available to countries and after everyone that has
an idea or sees an importance in securing the domain for
that particular country the rest of the codes should be
made available to everyone in some future gTLD round.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
reasoning for this is simple - generally 3-letter codes
are more closely related to the country name than
2-letter codes. And this is a big risk for these ccTLDs
for obvious reasons like false association. We do not
see the .com example as a precedent for releasing all
others as well - this is traditional gTLD, has well
known meaning and should be considered as exception in
this case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">After
the release of IDN country code TLDs there are now three
letter ccTLDs out there as well so there is no clear
differentiation between ccTLDs and gTLDs by looking at
the number of letters in TLD. Furthermore some ccTLDs
are operated as gTLDs (.me, .tv, .io etc). So this
argument is no good as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In
short we see the two step release of 3-letter ISO
country codes as an alternative to the current status
quo, a compromise to break the stalemate and move things
forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All
questions and comments are very welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Timo
Võhmar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Arendusjuht
/ Head of development<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Eesti
Interneti SA / Estonian Internet Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internet.ee" target="_blank"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.internet.ee">www.internet.ee</a></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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