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<div>Thank you Jacqueline, </div>
<div>We will note your apology for the CWG-UCTN call yesterday. Enjoy the rest of your day!</div>
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<div>Kind regards, </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org">ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Jacqueline Morris <<a href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 12:13 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Joke Braeken <<a href="mailto:joke.braeken@icann.org">joke.braeken@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org">ctn-crosscom@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org">ctn-crosscom@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Ctn-crosscom] notes taken during the CWG-UCTN call on 29 august at 21 UTC<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Please accept my apologies. I was sitting up waiting for the call and fell asleep at my desk.<br>
Jacqueline Morris<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 30 Aug 2016 03:55, "Joke Braeken" <<a href="mailto:joke.braeken@icann.org">joke.braeken@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Please find the notes taken during the CWG-UCTN call on 29 august at 21 UTC below.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The most recent version of the strawman paper, as shown during the call, will be shared with the WG list shortly.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joke Braeken<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">CWG – Use of Country and <wbr>Territory Names as top-level <wbr>domains <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">Monday 29 August 2016 at 21:<wbr>00 UTC </span><span style="font-size:18.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="color:#0070c0">Agenda<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="color:#0070c0"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">1. Welcome</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">2. Discussion strawman <wbr>paper post-Helsinki</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">3. Next call</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">4. AOB</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="color:#0070c0">Apologies<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="color:#0070c0"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Laura Watkins, Paul Szyndler, <wbr>Carlos Raul Gutierrez, Sanna <wbr>Sahlman, Ron Sherwood</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="color:#0070c0">Notes </span></b><span style="color:#0070c0"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Chair: Heather Forrest.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Role call</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">First meeting since F2F in <wbr>Helsinki. draft strawman <wbr>paper was sent out. Comments <wbr>by Heather Forrest, Annebeth Lange, Susan Payne. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">This WG has 4 co-chairs, but unfortunately there is an overlap with another call, <wbr>so only 2 co-chairs are <wbr>present at the meeting today. <wbr> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Helsinki: cross-community <wbr>forum on topic of geographic <wbr>names</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Strawman paper was commented by the co-<wbr>chairs and some participants</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Any comments?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Susan Payne:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">No substantive comments</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">, but those included
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">relate to the final part with the recommendations.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">If this group decides it cannot develop a harmonized framework, in the recommendations we should include who should do it.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Suggestion is to go to PDP on <wbr>Subsequent Procedures</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Heather: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">we should clarify the rationale for the recommendations. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Concern about setting up as <wbr>CCWG:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">CCWG has an uncertain form </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">but uncertain as to PDP</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">But not PDP body by itself</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Annebeth:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Difficult to find to a way <wbr>forward. Agree that output <wbr>needs to included in PDP's</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Most logical that it will be <wbr>PDP</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Be mindful that others may <wbr>need to have a say on par</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Agree on way forward that <wbr>there is a result</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Cheryl: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">As particpant in Subsequent <wbr>procedure. A specific need <wbr>for balanced input</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Not necessary bias to <wbr>specific part or interests</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Equal participation needs to <wbr>be warranted.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Heather: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">sensitive to concern about <wbr>representation</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Certain groups in the <wbr>community might need to be <wbr>able to participate for <wbr>various reasons, for example <wbr>competing efforts</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">However not a structural <wbr>problem.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">PDP charter </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Flaws this group limited <wbr>charter. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Because dealing with <wbr>harmonised framework should <wbr>be broader.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Annebeth:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#353535">Difficult for other stakeholders to participate in PDP by the GNSO. it feels like foreign territory. How can we work even better together?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Bart:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">2 observations:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">1. limited framework is first <wbr>and foremost an issue for <wbr>participants in this WG from <wbr>the GNSO side. The ccNSO does <wbr>not have issues with other <wbr>geographic names. But to move <wbr>this fwd, it needs the <wbr>support of all groups. it is <wbr>really a GNSO issue, not a <wbr>ccNSO</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">2. staff support on PDP for <wbr>selection of IDN ccTLDs. <wbr>moving forward, there might <wbr>be some overlap between the <wbr>subsequent round, and the <wbr>work of this WG. Overlap and <wbr>definitions.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Heather:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Cheryl’s comment regarding <wbr>motivation. PDP’s meet weekly.<wbr> there is pressure to do <wbr>things in a timely way. <wbr>Monthly webinars for <wbr>newcomers. How to participate <wbr>in WGs, and in the work of <wbr>the GNSO? </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Annebeth:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">webinars are useful. groups <wbr>such as ccNSO and GAC are <wbr>interested in a few of the <wbr>total aspects that are of <wbr>interest of the GNSO. too <wbr>overwhelming to follow it all.<wbr> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Heather:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Reference to our talk with Jeff Neumann in <wbr>Helsinki. their charter <wbr>covers the issues related to <wbr>geographic names more broadly.<wbr> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">ability to deal with things <wbr>in more substantive ways.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Work Stream 2 deals with this <wbr>issue. We could go back to <wbr>the leadership of the <wbr>workstream and the PDP <wbr>working group, whether it <wbr>could be consolidated into a <wbr>substream.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Cheryl Langdon Orr:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">agrees this is a good idea. <wbr>Definite and proactive <wbr>approach, to look for <wbr>opportunities to have <wbr>specified outreach and <wbr>engagement. We need to make <wbr>sure we are as inclusive as <wbr>possible. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Bart:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">using the PDP on subsequent <wbr>procedures does not resolve <wbr>that in some areas (full <wbr>names of countries), there <wbr>will be an overlap with a <wbr>policy remit of another SO (<wbr>the ccNSO in this case). if <wbr>something comes out that <wbr>affects the ccNSO policy, <wbr>that needs to be avoided. <wbr>That is why this CWG was <wbr>created: trying to avoid <wbr>overlap between policy remits.<wbr> However, it seems that a <wbr>harmonized framework is not <wbr>possible. So this was raised <wbr>as
a future concern.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Heather:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">in the AGB are other areas of <wbr>overlap probably. engage the <wbr>SO's involved. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><i>Next steps:<u></u><u></u></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">strawman paper: progress <wbr>report to be finalised and to be sent out to the community. WG members are invited to take time to raise comments, <wbr>or questions Everything that may impact the draft, <wbr>should be sent to the list,
as comments inside the document itself, not included in the body of an email. Deadline: in 2 weeks.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Timeline: next F2F meeting in <wbr>Hyderabad. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">process: desire to have some <wbr>conclusion on where we are <wbr>with this before Hyderabad. <wbr>2 weeks on the list to review <wbr>the comments, and to respond <wbr>to questions. I
n the next call we will <wbr>discuss the next version of <wbr>the draft. that should allow <wbr>us to make it to the deadline.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Nigel Cassimire</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">agrees with the proposal. We <wbr>should agree on a way forward.<wbr> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">perhaps include clearer <wbr>articulations agreed upon</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Strawman background, contextual information would be helpful </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">and should be</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> included: footnotes should <wbr>not just include the URL,
but be more detailed.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="color:#0070c0">Action Items</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Staff to 2 present 2 documents at the next meeting: substantive document + <wbr>progress report post Helsinki.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt">WG members to comment on the strawman paper to date. Deadline: 12 September</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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