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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday, 17 October</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> 2016
at 21:00 UTC at<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">: </span></span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ctn-17oct16-en.mp3" style="font-family: -webkit-standard; font-size: 14px;">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ctn-17oct16-en.mp3<br>
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<b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 17</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"> October
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<div>Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, welcome to the CWG on Country and Territory Names as TLDs meeting on Monday, 17 October 2016 at 21:00 UTC.</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_-5Fg-5F4Aw&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Ju5bN7qcsAseFnzCMC7_bB4QRZTWTlNA8q0MUzq_KYQ&s=sXrdWqDpemRk_SGGfrh6EtSKYdIvwK3ODVLIgtygXXs&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_-5Fg-5F4Aw&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Ju5bN7qcsAseFnzCMC7_bB4QRZTWTlNA8q0MUzq_KYQ&s=sXrdWqDpemRk_SGGfrh6EtSKYdIvwK3ODVLIgtygXXs&e=</a></div>
<div> mcastanon:HIIIIII</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there - welcome Milagros!</div>
<div> Grigori Saghyan:Hi!</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:Hello Grigori! </div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:Hi.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hi all</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Good morning, everyone</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:Hi all</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Hi everyone</div>
<div> Joke Braeken:Hi All</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:hello!</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:woops</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:no audio here</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:please call me </div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I lost the audio too</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:ahhhh</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:ok </div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:is not only me . Thanks Annebeth</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:Pretty unstable the adobe rooms of late</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:the few last ones I had to dial 3 times in 1 hour.....</div>
<div> Nigel Cassimire:Hello from Trinidad and Tobago, everyone.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hi</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:I lost audio </div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:please confirm</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Carlos - I heard you a few moments ago</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:or call me at +506 8837 7176</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:yes</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:absolutely</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:I da a few seconds of audio</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:one moment</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:but it has been like this over the last few days</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I am no on phone</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All, I finally managed to connect</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:The document is scrollabel and please go to page 5</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:ok</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:I´m on the phone now</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ask for feedback on bracketted text ... YES</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:If possible, we should try to complete on the progress report, if we can agree on which of the alternatives of recommendation 2 we prefer</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Since we have, in my opinion, agreed on 1 and 3 as they are now</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:In my view, Alternative B is more of a compromise than Alternative C, and also visualize the problems of overlapping</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):My leanings are towards 2b. noting the nexus between the inteests of the GNSO and the ccNSO in the matter of new names and Use of CT Names</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):also inclusive of IDN's of course</div>
<div> mcastanon:Is there any chance I could get this document through my email?</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):And of course the Subsequent Procedureswork is aready advancing including geo (CT) names</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and IDN's ;-)</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:But Carlos, the overlapping between ccNSO and gNSO on these issues, ccNSO should be included through the process. I still think Alternative B best cover this.</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:My pesonal postion is that we should try to avoid to end up in a small sentences in the GAC Communique, because in my view we would automatically loos control of our process. Sorry for using arguments beyond our work. But this is
my feeling right now.</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:loose control</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:sorry</div>
<div> Timo Võhmar:my support goes to B - it is unclear where the future work will go, A will not change that</div>
<div> susan payne:sorry, mic not working</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:I support B as well!</div>
<div> susan payne:i will need to dial in</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Difficult to hear Nigel</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Perhaps a little poll with green ticks or red crosses for each alternative from the attendees here will assist the to bracket or settle on one issue</div>
<div> susan payne:really I was just going to say I prefer a. I find b difficult to understand, and particularly what the outcome of the recommendation would be, ie what are we actually saying should happen. I think we are leaving it vague but that leaves
things in limbo</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Thanks Susan</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I understand you view here, Susan, but I am afraid that this issue, that is of great interest to many stakeholdergroups outside gNSO, will "drown" in the immense amount of issues that will be treated in the gNSO PDP for subsequent rounds</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:it should be any moment - they are dialing you now </div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:for Susan Payne</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I think that if we don't agree through a poll, both should be in brackets and discussed in Hyderabad as well.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):That works for me re the poll options Heather</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):better than just polling attendees here</div>
<div> Steve Chan:I was going to make a quick comment, but I can type it here: the polling can be done easily through something like Doodle, so it shouldn't be a problem to put something together very quickly.</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Thanks Steve - I was thinking Doodle too</div>
<div> susan payne:Carlos - I totally agree, and this is one of my concern about b as I think it implies there could be two spaces</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):GAC & us ... as usual</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we have to have a formal approval of our SO ?</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:@susan, tha tis the reality of dealing ith this topic, ther is already aovelap in defintions in exisiting policies</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:One of the problems - we started in our WG to discuss only c & t names originated from ISO 3166. GACs discussion of all other geographicl names complicated the process. THere are different considerations behind those two "groups".</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if we need opinion of SO/SC - might be need for a formal letter</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:Short and clear</div>
<div> Nigel Cassimire:That sounds like the idea</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):echo</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:Draft text: Future work on this issue must clearly align and engage with ICANN policy development processes as per ICANN's bylaws</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:Work Stream 2 handles this issue!</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:And they almost started to work on it last week!</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:The GNSO will handle our group this way: "Provide input if you have - we will factor it in" - and if we provide input then fine - if not nobody will care at all.</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:Work Track 2, right.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):What Susan says is importnt BUT IT WOULD NEED SHEEPHEARDING</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:I think we could have a much longer discussion about the Subsequent Procedures PDP, but I think we want to avoid getting too bogged down in discussing the PDP. We're running out of time to HYD, so my inclination is to focus on these
documents</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Good to hear, Carlos</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:CLO allways get the last word.......</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez::)</div>
<div> susan payne:@Cheryl, I suppose that is why I would favour trying to get this topic dealt with as a sub work track so there isn't a risk of being told the input is too late</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yes and I understand that attitude Susan especially when SO much goes on in these topics beynd our interest and remit</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:I support that, Heather</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes agree</div>
<div> susan payne:agree</div>
<div> Nigel Cassimire:+1</div>
<div> Steve Chan:The New gTLD Program Reviews session Heather is discussing now is here: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann572016.sched.org_event_8dQV_new-2Dgtld-2Dprogram-2Dreviews&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Ju5bN7qcsAseFnzCMC7_bB4QRZTWTlNA8q0MUzq_KYQ&s=KrQ9zrSEmMVKFkgsovc85tHsnYjFlJ_ih810aeiCiwI&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann572016.sched.org_event_8dQV_new-2Dgtld-2Dprogram-2Dreviews&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Ju5bN7qcsAseFnzCMC7_bB4QRZTWTlNA8q0MUzq_KYQ&s=KrQ9zrSEmMVKFkgsovc85tHsnYjFlJ_ih810aeiCiwI&e=</a></div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Do you know when that session will be, Heather? </div>
<div> Steve Chan:November 5: 13:45 - 14:45</div>
<div> Steve Chan::)</div>
<div> Bart Boswinkel:4. Will the "CWG on Country/Territory Names as Top Level Domains" provide policy recommendations to GNSO and GAC by the Hyderabad meeting on the following topics:a) ISO 3166 Alpha 3 code elements (NOT Alpha 2 codes - as these are NOT up
for discussion in the next round PDP at the moment)b) Country and Territory names (and their short forms) as new gTLDs. If not:a) By when latest can such policy recommendation be expected? Month/Yearb) What is the likelihood that the WG will provide
tangible PDP (policy recommendations) input for the coming round? Reason for the questions: Both GAC and GNSO have been repeatedly told to NOT touch the subject to avoid "duplication of work" as the "CWG on Country/Territory Names as Top Level Domains" was
allegedly working on policy recommendations. At some point of time GAC and GNSO will have to stop waiting and start to discuss this subject. Of course the CWG's output could be factored in later - but it would be good to know whether a policy recommendation
is to be exp</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID) 2:it feels like "contaminated" better describes 3letter codes situation :)</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:Very important indeed!!!!!!</div>
<div> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:They shold go together</div>
<div> Annebeth Lange:Agreed</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:Bye!</div>
<div> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID) 2:bye all</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thx Bye </div>
<div> susan payne:thanks Heather and all</div>
<div> Nigel Cassimire:Bye all</div>
<div> Heather Forrest:thank you everyone</div>
<div> Timo Võhmar:bye</div>
<div> Sebastien Pensis:goodbye, thank you.</div>
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