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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Timo,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sorry, but please study RFC 1591 written in 1994 by Jon Postel (think of him as “God” for the DNS community – which would be a clear understatement) himself: rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt<br>It clearly specifies:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>“There are a set of what are called "top-level domain names" (TLDs). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> These are the generic TLDs (EDU, COM, NET, ORG, GOV, MIL, and INT), <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> and the <span style='color:red'>two letter country codes from ISO-3166</span>.”<br><br>This order has been never once disrupted – all that happened is that more gTLDs were ADDED: Their character remained unchanged: Longer than 2 letters! That 2-letter TLDs are ccTLDs is not just a “long standing principle” – it is THE ONLY principle since the inception of the DNS in 1984. Postel thought it was “unlikely” that more TLD’s would be added – but “unlikely” is not “can never be”; and evidently it happened. But the strict separation of ccTLDs and gTLDs remained intact since the inception of the DNS.<br><br>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Timo Võhmar [mailto:timo.vohmar@internet.ee] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Annebeth Lange <annebeth.lange@uninett.no><br><b>Cc:</b> alexander@schubert.berlin; ctn-crosscom@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ctn-crosscom] [Ext] Re: Interim Paper for public comment<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also agree with Alexander's comments. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In addition I would also like to point out that in number of places ie page 22, page 23 etc there is a claim "...is not consistent with or supported by the simple and long-standing principle that 2-character codes are ccTLDs and 3+-character codes are gTLDs." There is no such long-lasting principle. There was a principle that 2 letters were country codes, five 3 letter generics and one infrastructure TLD (.arpa). That was extended in 2000 with 7 new TLDs. Principle here is closed list of gTLDs and as many 2 letter country codes as there are countries. But that went out of the window with the first round of new gTLDs. Typing + after number 3, stating that whole string space starting from 3 letters was designed for use as gTLD and saying that this has always been how internet was made is ... lets just say wrong. I suggest to use more intelligent arguments when describing different opinions of this group.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The whole 5.2.6 paragraph is very painful read clearly written in free for all spirit as I see only how all arguments hinting an option for anything else than dropping the protection and giving unlimited access to iso 3 letter country codes are criticized. Was this really so one sided discussion in this group? I was not here at that time, so I really do not know. But after reading this, it is amazing to find out that there is no recommendation to give.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I see clear recommendation in 5.2.6 and conflicting conclusion in 5.3.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Timo Võhmar<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Annebeth Lange <<a href="mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no" target="_blank">annebeth.lange@uninett.no</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Hi Alexander and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I agree with your input, Alexander.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Kind regards</span></i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="m_-4951569731272915285"><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Annebeth Lange</span></i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Alexander Schubert<br><b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>"<br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 23:32<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org" target="_blank">ctn-crosscom@icann.org</a>"<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ctn-crosscom] [Ext] Re: Interim Paper for public comment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Page 21 the three preferences how alpha-3 codes could be handled:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>1) support for opening all ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 codes to </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red'>eligiblity </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>as gTLDs (eligibility is misspelled - and the sentence makes no sense! Probably meant as: "...... to be eligible as gTLDs"?)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><br>I do not see any more the option that has already garnered a LOT of support: Treating the 3 letter ISO 3166 alpha 3 codes like ALL other designators in the ISO 3166 (e.g. “BAR” or “TATA”): In the existing AG for ALL 3166 listed elements there is a requirement that the relevant Government authority has to sign a letter of non-objection! <br><br>So I suggest we either add to 1) that OF COURSE the already established AG requirement for a letter of non-objection would be triggered for alpha-3 codes as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Or we have a 4<sup>th</sup> preference.<br>Indeed: Annex D provides for FOUR possibilities discussed by the SOs/ACs. <br><br><br>On page 22 it says:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>“Supporting to open all 3-character codes as gTLDs:<br>• There is no sovereign or other ownership right of governments in country or territory names, including ISO 3166-1 codes, </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red'>so there is no legal basis for government veto power on allocation of these codes as gTLDs”</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Not true! The AG has a provision whereby ALL ISO 3166 elements need a letter of non-objection of the Government! See “.bar” or “.tata”! Obviously if already a tiny mini municipality like the TATA region (15,000 people, all desert, no industry, but listed in ISO 3166) requires such a letter then OF COURSE a 3 letter ISO 3166 alpha 3 code requires it as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Alexander Schubert<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Emily Barabas<br>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:26 PM<br>To: Jaap Akkerhuis <<a href="mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl" target="_blank">jaap@NLnetLabs.nl</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org" target="_blank">ctn-crosscom@icann.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] [Ext] Re: Interim Paper for public comment<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Dear Jaap,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Thank you for your review and feedback. Staff will review the formatting and content of the frames. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Emily<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>On 25/01/17 04:48, "Jaap Akkerhuis" <<a href="mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>jaap@NLnetLabs.nl</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> Emily Barabas writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> > Please find attached a revised version of the CWG-UCTN Interim Paper.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> > This version incorporates language to reflect a lack of consensus on<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> > recommendation 3.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> > <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> > <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> > Kindly provide any final revisions or comments on the Interim Paper by<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> > Friday 3 February.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> Dear Emily,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> I did a quick scan and noticed that something went with the two<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> "Frames" about the ISO 3166. They now look as a single one to me. But<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> apart from that, the first one seemed to have a garbled sentences here<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> and there. Note the start of the second section, to quote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> The ISO body responsible for the standard 3166 is the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> Technical Committee 46, systems etc. and as non-current,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> dependencies, and other areas of particular geopolitical<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> interest (ISO/TC 46/WG2).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> And there are more of these.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> I will have a nore close read later, but these things really needs to<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> be clean up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> jaap<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Ctn-crosscom mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><a href="mailto:Ctn-crosscom@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Ctn-crosscom@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-4951569731272915285msoplaintext><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Ctn-crosscom mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ctn-crosscom@icann.org">Ctn-crosscom@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ctn-crosscom</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>