[client com] Request for a quote on two tasks

Hofheimer, Joshua T. jhofheimer at sidley.com
Tue Jul 28 00:34:01 UTC 2015

Thanks Greg, this is helpful.  We would like to request a schedule from Jones Day of all registered marks, names, logos, and the like, as well as all domain names (including second level, redirects, etc.).  We’d like to get a sense of the enormity (or not) of the administrative task associated with a change in ownership.  This should be a worldwide schedule, and you’re right, if Jones Day has been managing the docket all along, then hopefully this won’t be hard to generate.

Nonetheless, this is a request that needs to be routed through the proper channels, of course, so perhaps you or one of the co-chairs can facilitate having this authorized and Jones Day set to the task.


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From: Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 3:23 PM
To: Hofheimer, Joshua T.
Cc: Flanagan, Sharon; cwg-client at icann.org; Pulaski, Katie
Subject: Re: [client com] Request for a quote on two tasks


My answers are in-line below.  Happy to discuss these or any other aspects of this matter further.


On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Hofheimer, Joshua T. <jhofheimer at sidley.com<mailto:jhofheimer at sidley.com>> wrote:

Thanks this is very helpful.  A couple follow-up questions as well:

1.       Are there trademarks, tradenames and logos that have been registered in countries outside the United States?
​I have not conducted a comprehensive search, but I am not aware of any registrations outside the US.  I did check the TMView search tool offered by OHIM (European Community trademark office), which covers the CTM and many of the country-level registrations, as well as the US.  It did not reveal any other registrations.

2.       If so, are they all registered by ICANN, or in some jurisdictions are they owned by a local affiliate/subsidiary.

3.       Would it be possible to get a schedule of all registered marks, names and logos, showing the mark, the registration date, number and registered owner?  Ultimately, we are going to need this regardless, and hopefully ICANN staff have maintained it on a regular basis.
​ICANN's outside counsel (Jones Day) should have all this information available in their trademark docketing software, and they should be able to quickly generate a report for all the IANA-related marks, with all this information and more (you may want the description of goods & services as well).​

4.       We also would like a schedule of all the domain names, including the identified Registrant and Registrar.  The Administrative Contact would be useful too.
​I would expect that the ICANN employee in charge of managing their domain names should be able to generate a report with all this information.  I do know that ICANN owns iana.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.com&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=mzRGwrzk3ntw-ShF6ay5RoOAnFouUg3wPbKg0arp3O4&e=>, iana.net<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.net&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=WZUgf1D5IwOLeu7pBOsoDM6HWcKDaticRt2LsQppBCA&e=> and iana.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.org&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=soq1RQ0FaZGOHuPl3WaOXpxtrTykbrYxLLWzaqUIBCw&e=>.  iana.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.org&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=soq1RQ0FaZGOHuPl3WaOXpxtrTykbrYxLLWzaqUIBCw&e=> is the primary domain name.  It appears that "IANA" may be "registry reserved" string in at least some other top level domains. ​

​Here is the WHOIS report for iana.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.com&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=mzRGwrzk3ntw-ShF6ay5RoOAnFouUg3wPbKg0arp3O4&e=>.  I expect iana.net<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.net&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=WZUgf1D5IwOLeu7pBOsoDM6HWcKDaticRt2LsQppBCA&e=> and iana.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.org&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=soq1RQ0FaZGOHuPl3WaOXpxtrTykbrYxLLWzaqUIBCw&e=> to be similar.

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Registry Domain ID: 1449648_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
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Update Date: 2014-10-19T17:48:13Z
Creation Date: 1996-07-29T04:00:00Z
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Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Domain Administrator
Registrant Organization: ICANN
Registrant Street: 12025 Waterfront Drive
Registrant Street: Suite 300
Registrant City: Los Angeles
Registrant State/Province: California
Registrant Postal Code: 90094-2536
Registrant Country: United States
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Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.4242171313
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Registrant Email: domain-admin at icann.org<mailto:domain-admin at icann.org>
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Domain Administrator
Admin Organization: ICANN
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Finally, in a prior email you forwarded with some background materials you expressed the concern that the IETF Trust might not be a legal person.  Can you give us some further insight into the circumstances that give rise to this concern for you, or were your questions addressed by the IETF?

​I based this on reviewing the trademark registration for IETF on the USPTO website, where the trademark is held in the name of the trustees, specifically as follows:

(REGISTRANT) The Trustees of the IETF TRUST, a Virginia trust, the trustees comprising Stephen D. Crocker, Lucy Elizabeth Lynch, Lynn M. St. Amour and Raymond G. Pelletier, Jr., all U.S. citizens, Brian E. Carpenter, a United Kingdom citizen, Leslie L. Daigle and Edmund B. Juskevicius, both Canadian citizens, Kurt Erik Lindqvist, a Swedish citizen and Jonne Adam Soininen, a Finnish citizen TRUST VIRGINIA 1775 WIEHLE AVENUE #102 C/O RAY PELLETIER, IETF ADMIN DIRECTOR RESTON VIRGINIA 201905108

 I also based this on a review of the IETF Founding Documents, which are at http://trustee.ietf.org/founding-documents.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__trustee.ietf.org_founding-2Ddocuments.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=ZtqiQuRVk50u6VIz0S2ZKqKo5dpjQezsXqdz2SnD3WA&e=>.
  It's worth noting that the IETF Trust is set up as a trust for IETF-related IPR, and the sole beneficiary is the IETF (or
the IETF's successor with respect to the development of technical standards for the Internet

I also reviewed that the IETF "General Trademark License" template on their website,  http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/IETF_General_TM_License.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__trustee.ietf.org_docs_IETF-5FGeneral-5FTM-5FLicense.pdf&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=7Vr0JUklvlqQwNYuJ9wBhvz1P-NM__rObOxjxLtHe64&e=>, which is in the name of the Trust and makes no mention of the Trustees.  (Interestingly, while this trademark license makes reference to usage and quality control guidelines, which are in a separate document at http://www.ietf.org/trademarks-guidelines<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ietf.org_trademarks-2Dguidelines&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=dSTDuYp0LlTLALbcwKu9rXrCsl0NMLeti7hpP_eyXBI&s=P6Niz-d1yq_WpI6Ya44Z8sRD0pF2bCE-6OgQ8D8ipKs&e=>, that document does not appear to contain what I would deem quality control guidelines (but only contains usage guidelines).)

Hope this helps,



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From: cwg-client-bounces at icann.org<mailto:cwg-client-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:cwg-client-bounces at icann.org<mailto:cwg-client-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 5:45 AM
To: Flanagan, Sharon
Cc: cwg-client at icann.org<mailto:cwg-client at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [client com] Request for a quote on two tasks


I started to put together some background information on the IANA trademarks that might be helpful to you and your colleagues, once you get the green light to proceed.  It's based on information publicly available through the US Patent & Trademark Office website and the ICANN website, so there's nothing unique here, but it might save a little time and effort.


On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Flanagan, Sharon <sflanagan at sidley.com<mailto:sflanagan at sidley.com>> wrote:
Dear All,

With respect to Item #1 below, we would expect the stress test and assessment of the IPR issue under the three scenarios below would require approximately $35,000-40,000 of legal work.  This would be for our analysis and review and would not include time spent on follow up calls or iterations of the document.

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Best regards,


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From: Lise Fuhr [mailto:lise.fuhr at difo.dk<mailto:lise.fuhr at difo.dk>]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:58 AM
To: Flanagan, Sharon
Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Grace Abuhamad; Marika Konings; cwg-client at icann.org<mailto:cwg-client at icann.org>
Subject: Request for a quote on two tasks

Dear Sharon,

As we talked about during the Client Committee call last Thursday, we have discussed with the CWG Sidley's eventual advice regarding two issues – IPR and a matrix of the bylaws. The CWG agreed to request Sidley to give an estimate of the hours needed in order to perform the two tasks:

1.       IPR - To conduct a stress-test approach regarding the IANA IPR issue. This includes four aspects:

a.  Sidley should consult with ICANN Legal in order to obtain further insight and background to the IPR issue. This can be done with the involvement of other members of the CWG – like the Client Committee. Furthermore CWG is considering involving other communities in this fact-gathering exercise.

b. There appear to be three possible scenarios. IANA’s IPR either:
(i) stays with ICANN; (ii) goes to PTI; or (iii) goes into trust (IETF, mutual trust).

c. What risks exist with each approach from a CWG-Stewardship perspective. These need to be evaluated in view of ICANN's position and the proposal from the other communities to determine what is optimal and/or acceptable.

d. There are 3 trademarks involved: (i) "Internet Assigned Numbers Authority," (ii) "IANA", and (iii) the IANA Logo, which consists of IANA in stylized letters plus Internet Assigned Numbers Authority.

2.       Matrix of the ICANN bylaws:

Create a matrix to help determine where the bylaws that are needed in relation to the CWG proposal belong.  Identify which bylaws Sidley would suggest that the CWG should draft (be in charge of having drafted), and which bylaws drafted by the CCWG need to be signed off by the CWG. There will be a part of the bylaws that are being prepared by the CCWG that have no direct relationship to the CWG's work and these constitute a third category.

After receiving the quote, the Client Committee will evaluate the estimates of the two tasks and get back to you.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me.

Best regards,


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