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<br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Greg Shatan</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:49 PM<br>Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Initial Discussion Draft on Transition Models<br>To: Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>>, Client <<a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org">cwg-client@icann.org</a>><br><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Andrew,</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm copying your email to the Client Committee email list for consideration by Sidley and the Client Committee.</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg Shatan</div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:12pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Gregory S. Shatan </span></b><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#17365d">ï</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365d"> </span></b><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#c0504d">Abelman
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<br></span><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Andrew Sullivan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 11:04:14AM +0200, Lise Fuhr wrote:<br>
> Please see the attached initial discussion draft of the two models from our legal counsel.<br>
<br>
Thanks for this. I've read it. I have some questions. Questions for<br>
Sidley are listed, and then some observations for our own discussion<br>
(which needn't take up Sidley's time) follow when appropriate in<br>
square brackets.<br>
<br>
In I.A, particularly in numbers 4 and 6, I can't tell whether the<br>
assumption is that there are new agreements between PTI and the RIRs,<br>
and PTI and IETF. I think the fact that PTI is a new legal entity<br>
means that new agreements would be required. Is that correct? [The<br>
reason I ask this is because there is a possible risk of things coming<br>
apart if the other operational communities need to be engaged in a new<br>
negotiation. If PTI just takes the existing agreements and does a<br>
global search and replace for ICANN with PTI, that's nice, but it<br>
doesn't solve everything. For instance, the IETF would have to<br>
publish a new version of RFC 2860. It's worth remembering that every<br>
grievance everyone has with an existing document comes into play once<br>
the document is opened for editing.]<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"></div></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
By way of comparison, in II.B, does using Functional Separation permit<br>
ICANN to continue working under its existing MoUs? I'd assume yes,<br>
because AFAIK none of the existing agreements specify the internal<br>
arrangements of how ICANN delivers the service. [Notwithstanding<br>
Milton's point about getting it "right", given the timeline there is a<br>
significant advantage to not having to negotiate, I think, no?]<br>
<br>
III.C talks about CSC. In the case of a full legal separation with<br>
independent governance, would the CSC be needed at all? Presumably<br>
the arrangements between PRI and their customers would be a<br>
contractual one, and as such the management of such contractual<br>
disputes ought to be via those contracts, and not through an extra<br>
body. Or is the point that the way such a contractual arrangement<br>
would solve such disputes ought to be along the lines of the CSC?<br>
<br>
In III.D.2 there is a question about "ultimate accountability over<br>
ICANN's stewardhip". I'm not entirely sure which cases this applies<br>
to. If there is a legal separation, how is this question relevant for<br>
CWG? Under the legal separation described, PTI becomes the new IANA<br>
functions operator. If there's full independent governance of PTI,<br>
for instance, isn't ICANN's stewardship completely gone -- it has only<br>
responsibility for policy, and not for IANA operation at all, right?<br>
Is that part of the point of this question?<br>
<br>
On III.I, I'm not sure what the difference is between CSC and IRP.<br>
Why are both things needed?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
A<br>
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